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IDGAS said:
Proper disposal requires
1. Commercial grade wood-chipper,
2. a body of water, and
3. thorough clean up afterwards.
This is done without assistance and is never ever under any circumstance discussed with anyone.

Dove said:

IDGAS said:

But it's how mom told us to do it

deathstroke213 said:
I think this link explains that the charges are total bullshit. Read the article.

There is no DNA evidence in the tub that the man was supposedly hacked to death in. Nor is there any trace of bleach or any other cleaning agent used to get rid of the evidence. There is no proof the man was ever at her house or in her "dungeon". They failed to mention that the guy had been messing with a married woman and that the husband had wanted him dead. They never found the body of the man even AFTER the confession of where he was. The interrogation was NOT taped and the confession papers were signed under duress.

And people would think she committed this crime, how?

IDGAS said:
Proper disposal requires
1. Commercial grade wood-chipper,
2. a body of water, and
3. thorough clean up afterwards.
This is done without assistance and is never ever under any circumstance discussed with anyone.

midnightmovie said:

funny but only this person and the puffin person seem to have actually read the article. the issue doesn't seem to be about her doing something wrong but about what kind of police work was conducted here. Who extracts a 'confession' in the day and age on instant recording at any time and place without a record. Thats not a confession at all. While it would be very easy to dump a body in the kennebec piece meel and have it never turn up again, hacking apart a formerly living thing is really messy and thats just the visible mess let alone what can be found with forensics.

surlyclown said:

Perhaps, but even in cases like that of the West Memphis 3, the police have a knack for getting the results they want, particularly if there's political pressure on the DA. It's stilll hard to buy the story without a body and with apparently zero evidence.

PointBlank said:
I agree with Chitin. The problem with the law in this country is that it is horribly unfair to professional dominatrices!! It always has been, since the time of our forefathers!!

Chitin said:
That's one of the shitty things about the law in this country: it is utterly, completely unfavorable to a professional dominatrix should the worst happen on her property. He probably had a heart attack and, knowing that she would probably get screwed legally and probably do some jail time, she panicked and made a mistake.

crispy said:

It happens.

deathstroke213 said:

*shrugs*

I didn't expect much from people on the internet.

Chitin said:
That's one of the shitty things about the law in this country: it is utterly, completely unfavorable to a professional dominatrix should the worst happen on her property. He probably had a heart attack and, knowing that she would probably get screwed legally and probably do some jail time, she panicked and made a mistake.

Dove said:

yeah, doesn't it fucking suck when people don't agree with you?

nobody was saying that this girl isn't exempt from innocence. we were arguing the hypothetical situation. last time i checked, the results of our arguments weren't admissible as evidence in court for whatever case we're talking about, so you can rest easy.

deathstroke213 said:
May I suggest coffee and cigarettes before you come to the board?

I understood the thread. Relax... deep breath... okay. We're okay now.

TedKoppel said:

Yeah, but that's a little different, isn't it? I mean, with the West Memphis Three, they got a person with an extremely low IQ to confess with tons of holes in his story. That's not very difficult. A person who understands the consequences of what they're saying, not so much. I'm not saying that it is or is not true, just that if a lawyer wants to get someone off of a case with only a confession and no other evidence, this would be the way to go about it.

I mean, for example, they say that the remains were never found and that there wasn't any DNA or cleaning agent found in the bathtub. Fair enough, but it doesn't say in the article when they did these tests or looked for the remains; the crime happened 5 1/2 years ago. Also, the West Memphis guy they grilled for quite a while, and with her it was two hours. Again, I reiterate that I am not jumping to any conclusions. Maybe she's got a low IQ, maybe this has just taken an absurdly long time to go to trial and they actually did the tests right when it happened. I don't know and it doesn't say. But I wouldn't bet either way at the moment.

[Edited on Jan 19, 2006 by TedKoppel]

via Yahoo / AP
Dominatrix Acquitted in Bondage Death


DEDHAM, Mass. - A dominatrix was acquitted of manslaughter Monday in the death of a man who prosecutors say suffered a heart attack while strapped to a replica of a medieval rack.

Barbara Asher, a 56-year-old woman who called herself Mistress Lauren M, was also cleared of dismemberment.

Prosecutors said that 53-year-old Michael Lord suffered a heart attack in 2000 during a bondage session in a "dungeon" in Asher's condominium and that Asher did nothing to help him for five minutes for fear authorities would find out about her business.

Asher had her boyfriend chop up the body of the 275-pound retired telephone company worker, and they dumped it behind a restaurant in Maine, prosecutors said. His remains have never been found.

Prosecutors said Asher confessed to police, but the alleged confession was not taped, and investigators testified they did not save their notes.

Asher's lawyer, Stephanie Page, said there was nothing to prove Lord was even dead _ no body, no blood, no DNA.

During his closing argument to the jury, prosecutor Robert Nelson put on a black leather mask with a zippered mouth opening and re-enacted the bondage session. With both hands, he reached back and clutched the top of a blackboard as if strapped to the rack. Then he hung his head as if dead.

Asher's lawyer objected, and the judge agreed.

"That's enough Mr. Nelson," Judge Charles Grabau said. "Thank you for your demonstration."