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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

DEC 07, 2005 09:20 PM

Why do we fuck in private? Most other mammals couldn’t care less where they have sex, but why do we have sex in private bedrooms, the occasional nightclub bathroom, and away from other people?

In societies from the sands of the Kalahari to the tiniest Pacific Islands, the cultural preference is for sex in private, says Christopher Kovats-Bernat, an anthropologist at Muhlenberg College in Allentown. Where people can afford it, "we segregate off a space in the dwelling that is devoted to two things - sleeping and sex." In many parts of the world, however, the private bedroom is an unattainable luxury. […]

The Seriono people of Bolivia also like privacy, but they sleep in common rooms in rows of hammocks, he says. So if one couple starts having sex, the neighbors will politely turn the other way.
There's some evidence a similar practice takes place in American college dormitories (though perhaps not at Penn).

And yet, many subcultures exist in which people seek out a certain lack of privacy. In Jamaica, Kovats-Bernat said, strip clubs offer something called "freaky sex" in which men get up on stage, strip, and have sex with the dancers. Either way, we seem to care whether people are watching us or not, which makes us quite different from, say, dogs, who couldn't care less.

In his book Why Is Sex Fun?, UCLA professor and noted author Jared Diamond explains why you and your dog will never understand each other's sex lives. No self-respecting dog would need to hide while mating, he says. Dogs also refrain from sex unless the female is in her fertile phase.

According to Diamond's book, our ape relatives routinely have sex in group settings but, like dogs, only when the female is in estrus. While some promote the idea that sex is only for procreation, Diamond notes that that's much more the case with chimps and dogs, who aren't interested unless they're likely to conceive.

Humans, for some reason, evolved so that men and women want to mate all month long even though women are fertile for only a few days, which are hard to identify.


But this still doesn’t answer why some are compelled, and even aroused, by watching others have sex.

seen

seen

Salem, OR
June 2004

DEC 08, 2005 01:44 AM

the chemicals have done something to our brains

Someguysteve

Someguysteve

USA
September 2005

DEC 08, 2005 02:06 AM

I walked into a friend's room when I still lived in the dorms one day and saw what was dubbed the cuccoon, around her bed was taped floor to ceiling sheets sectioning of about 1/6th the room. Going to the University of Utah and the girl in question being a mormon I honestly don't believe they did much more than make out.

ThisIsWhoWeAre

ThisIsWhoWeAre

Oakland, CA
July 2004

DEC 08, 2005 02:42 AM

Speak for yourself. I have had sex in both a mall and a movie theater.

Do mutual handjobs under the tablecloth at a restaurant count as sex? If so all three....

whitepuma

whitepuma

Australia
March 2004

DEC 08, 2005 02:48 AM

I think it has something to do with our extensive history and wanting to put our selves apart from other animals so we segregated where we could and tryed to ignore it some like myself still have a little of that animal insitinct and dont care or are aroused by the notion of being in veiw, by doing so we opted to become manogamus although studies have shown a chick we seek out a certain type of man when ovulating subconsiously so as to concieve, its this segrgation and monagmy that led us to the need of self entertianment so we fuck all the time sice we fuck all the time we no longer need to be able to smell an ovulating woman nor do we need to compete on the same level like animals with an alpha male if anyone disagrees with me or has more to add email me timothyelton@hotmail.com i would like to know and dont get to log on as much as i would like to

thestral

thestral

Manassas, VA
August 2005

DEC 08, 2005 03:03 AM

whitepuma said:
I think it has something to do with our extensive history and wanting to put our selves apart from other animals so we segregated where we could and tryed to ignore it some like myself still have a little of that animal insitinct and dont care or are aroused by the notion of being in veiw, by doing so we opted to become manogamus although studies have shown a chick we seek out a certain type of man when ovulating subconsiously so as to concieve, its this segrgation and monagmy that led us to the need of self entertianment so we fuck all the time sice we fuck all the time we no longer need to be able to smell an ovulating woman nor do we need to compete on the same level like animals with an alpha male if anyone disagrees with me or has more to add email me timothyelton@hotmail.com i would like to know and dont get to log on as much as i would like to



Actually, if you read some of Jared's other books (I read some of his earlier stuff for classes at college) he says that the reason why men have evolved to constantly want sex is because of "disguised ovulation." The basic theory is that since human babies are, proportionally to the mother, larger than with any other primate. This makes child birth very dangerous. Because of this, women who were able to avoid letting every male know they were in estrus (leading to them getting jumped and pregnant) had an advantage. Since women evolved to have an ovulation cycle that was disguised, men had to evolve a new way of ensuring that they would still get a woman pregnant and pass on their genes. Naturally, they went the scatter shot approach and started wanting sex frequently. The idea being that if two humans couple every two days for a month, chances are they'll manage to hit that time when the woman is ovulating.

The above was always kind of funny to me because it puts the blame for men's constant state of arrousal squarely on the shoulders of women and their desire not to be torn in two by the birthing of a parasitic lifeform.

Other interesting things that I remember Diamond talking about in his book involved the size of sexual organs in humans, proportional to our body, compared to that of other animals. I still remember some funny statistics. Like that gorillas can only achieve an average of an inch and a half even when erect and that they have tiny balls. This compared to chimps who are closest to humans in genital size. He also talks about why men and woman seem to have grown exaggerated genitals, such as breasts larger than are needed, in women, and penises larger than needed in men. He suggests some sort of social sexual pressure. Hah. Size matters. wink

_panda_

_panda_

I'm lost
November 2005

DEC 08, 2005 04:13 AM

speak for your self writer!

Mall Sex, Fun!! Restarant Sex, FUN!! Movie Theater Sex, Shes the one!

douginc

douginc

Saint Paul, MN
June 2004

DEC 08, 2005 06:15 AM

Man, I see how much males hate on me for just being good at TALKING to the ladies. Whew. They look like they want to claw my face off - they're filled with player hater rage. I can only imagine what these people would do if they saw someone they viewed as sexual competition in the actual act.
Also, testicle size is almost always tied to the amount of monogamy / polygamy in a species. The fewer the amount of sexual partners in a species, the smaller the testicles. The more polygamy, the larger the testicles.
You can track human brain development by the size of the cranium / pelvis area. Sexual dimorphism (just a fancy term in Anth. meaning the size difference in a species between the males and the females) has decreased by about 30% in the last 2 million years of human developoment. Men got a lot smaller. This is because of the greater need for intelligence and bipedalism. Since we walk upright, childbirth is made painful since the uterus is more constricted (monkey females can have painless childbirth). This created more dependant children who need longer to develop since they cannot come out of the uterus at a larger, more developed stage. This created a need for biparental care, meaning the father had to stay and help in caring for the offspring, since a baby is mostly helpless until it was about 4 years of age. You do not see this in the great apes, there is a lot more polygamy going on there and almost NO biparental care. Anyway, testicle sizes decreased in humans since there was a greater need for monogamy due to a need for intelligence and bipedalism.
Thank you for your time, I obsess over anthropology and the human brain. Sorry I didn't have any pictures of monkey sex left. It is Christmas time and I have a lot of grandparents to consider.

Al

Al

SUICIDEGIRL

Christmas Island

DEC 08, 2005 06:49 AM

But this still doesn’t answer why some are compelled, and even aroused, by watching others have sex.



Maybe this is why we like to have sex in private. Other people being openly aroused sorta grosses me out. Maybe it's just me.

Yes, I understand the contradictory nature of my statement considering what site this is and who I am. Carry on.

ApostropheNow

ApostropheNow

Skull Valley, AZ
April 2004

DEC 08, 2005 07:03 AM

I hate when I'm standing in line at the buffet and the couple ahead of me are doing it wheelbarrow style, people gotta eat too, goddammit.

sickboyedd

sickboyedd

United Kingdom
January 2004

DEC 08, 2005 07:08 AM

ApostropheNow said:
I hate when I'm standing in line at the buffet and the couple ahead of me are doing it wheelbarrow style, people gotta eat too, goddammit.



I just stack up food on top of the wheelbarrow and make sure there's plenty of napkins. If there's time I usually ask for a doggy bag as well. It's the windmill that pisses me off, some people have no manners.

corsair

corsair

USA
July 2004

DEC 08, 2005 07:59 AM

Seeing what's been forbidden, is titilating!

As to your question . . animals don't have egos . . they're not concerned with how they look, or how big their dick is, or how someone else may judge their performance. Our greater intelligence, would seem to get in the way of raw, unabashed fucking.

Tearsunending

Tearsunending

USA
August 2005

DEC 08, 2005 08:56 AM

Why do we have sex in privacy? Let's see, off the top of my head:

1) For the same reason we keep many of our daily thoughts in check - there's no social advantage to sharing every intimate detail with others. We want to think our relationship is unique, special, and made in heaven, not like the billions of others doing exactly what we are doing.

2) Just as it is impolite to burp, fart, pee, take a dump, wipe your butt, pop pimples, pick your teeth, or whatever in front of people at the mall, it is just impolite to sweat, grunt, groan, and make slappy, squishy sounds with all of your not-so-pretty bodies jiggling on the table in the food court with an elderly woman next to you finishing her soup.

3) Most animals are not conscious, decision-making, and reflective as we are - there are no kitty cat pre-nups or rape laws. They just do it by instinct. We are conscious, reflective, and have systematized, moralized, and made decisions about what is socially appropriate and what isn't.

4) Honestly, pure jealousy. You don't work that hard to find the woman of your dreams or to win a person's affection only to display them naked to a kazillion other people who will be turned on and try to manipulate the person away from you.

5) Public sex is too vulnerable. You don't walk to the office naked. People have bad dreams about standing naked in front of a class. You don't leave doors unlocked, diaries open, and things like that. Neither do you treat something so emotionally bonding as the equivilent of shaking hands.

Why do we enjoy viewing others have sex?

1) We are curious and want to compare. Are we nuts or are we normal for doing or wanting that?

2) When two beautiful people have sex, it has aesthetic, pleasing, artistic beauty like a song. But when two ugly people do it, it looks like Carlton trying to dance on Fresh Prince.

3) Many people don't have a good (or any) sex life at all, and they can live vicariously through others as they watch and fantasize.

4) Watching others have sex is like being around people who laugh - it makes you want to laugh too. The act itself is a turn on, and it reminds you, "Maybe I should be having sex instead of commenting on SuicideGirls."

In the end, I think love, romance, and nurture work best for humans in their sex life, and keeping those values in place means keeping the act private, between each other, and not caring about viewing others.

Pyro_The_Clown

Pyro_The_Clown

Lubbock, TX
November 2005

DEC 08, 2005 11:21 AM

sickboyedd said:

ApostropheNow said:
I hate when I'm standing in line at the buffet and the couple ahead of me are doing it wheelbarrow style, people gotta eat too, goddammit.



I just stack up food on top of the wheelbarrow and make sure there's plenty of napkins. If there's time I usually ask for a doggy bag as well. It's the windmill that pisses me off, some people have no manners.



That's when I push them down and step over them. There's a time and place. At the line isn't the place even if it's the time. They should at least wait until they're at their table!

Techne

Techne

Cambridge, MA
August 2005

DEC 08, 2005 11:33 AM

If it wasn't illegal, I'm sure more people would.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

DEC 08, 2005 11:47 AM

douginc said:
Man, I see how much males hate on me for just being good at TALKING to the ladies. Whew.


Smooth operator, eh? I hear ya, brah!

Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

DEC 08, 2005 01:18 PM

Al said:

But this still doesn’t answer why some are compelled, and even aroused, by watching others have sex.



Maybe this is why we like to have sex in private. Other people being openly aroused sorta grosses me out. Maybe it's just me.

Yes, I understand the contradictory nature of my statement considering what site this is and who I am. Carry on.



I think that there is a huge difference between displaying the body publicly and being viewed engaging in sex. I was thinking more about being aroused by hardcore porn than about someone standing in the closet jacking off while watching someone fuck. That, I'll agree, is a bit grossish.

[Edited on Dec 08, 2005 1:18PM]

pavlovsdog

pavlovsdog

Asheville, NC
May 2004

DEC 08, 2005 09:06 PM

There are a lot of people out there who I wouldn't want to see have sex.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

DEC 10, 2005 11:44 AM

whitelight said:

I said:
Oh my god, Jared Diamond has a book about sex? eeek This is good news! I was just in a store to buy a copy of Guns, Germs and Steel as a Christmas present, and saw nothing of this.



Then I looked on Amazon and found that this book was released in 1998. How is any of this "news?"

Generally, I hate it when people ask that question on these boards, but usually it's because they don't care about the topic, not that something isn't current, or at least semi-current.

Not to give you a hard time-- I found out about a book that I am looking forward to reading. But how is this news again?


I'm just guessing here, but I think it's news because the linked story is not about Jared Diamond's book. Rather, the linked story is about:

Why do humans prefer to have sex in privacy?

The question follows a Penn couple’s flagrant display before a crowd of onlookers

By Faye Flam
Inquirer Columnist

... (a couple having sex) in front of a University of Pennsylvania dormitory window.

and

...
All this happened in the wake of a scandal that started with Channel 3's secretly planting TV cameras in Philadelphia sex club Kama Sutra, outraging patrons who go there to get some privacy while they have sex in large rooms full of other people.
...



Which stories are very much news.

[Edited on Dec 10, 2005 by skeptik]

Rhys

Rhys

SUICIDEGIRL

Florida, USA

DEC 10, 2005 12:56 PM

but i do..

Amily

Amily

HOPEFUL

Gainesville, FL

DEC 10, 2005 01:06 PM

I'd wager that the reason we want to have sex all month long is that our fertile phases are just so difficult to identify that we'd never get pregnant if we weren't taking a proverbial stab at it all the time.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

DEC 10, 2005 01:29 PM

Never trust Jared Diamond. Collapse is proof positive of his slanted historical worldview.

Ragdoll

Ragdoll

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

DEC 10, 2005 01:40 PM

Al said:

But this still doesn’t answer why some are compelled, and even aroused, by watching others have sex.



Maybe this is why we like to have sex in private. Other people being openly aroused sorta grosses me out. Maybe it's just me.

Yes, I understand the contradictory nature of my statement considering what site this is and who I am. Carry on.



Agreed.

However i have had sex in all of those places and found it not to be a big deal.

[Edited on Dec 10, 2005 by Ragdoll]