Cheech said:
It could be because they're only talking about (trite, vapid, action-movie-esque, old) superhero comics rather than interesting (substantive, funny, compelling, recent) ones.
It could be that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Cheech said:
It could be because they're only talking about (trite, vapid, action-movie-esque, old) superhero comics rather than interesting (substantive, funny, compelling, recent) ones.
It could be that you have no idea what you're talking about.
No, no, he's absolutely right. Look at the list of the "masters":
Lyonel Feininger (The Kin-der-Kids), George Herriman (Krazy Kat), Winsor McCay (Little Nemo), Milton Caniff (Steve Canyon), Charles Schulz (Peanuts), Jack Kirby (Fantastic Four, X-Men), Harvey Kurtzman (MAD), R. Crumb, Art Spiegelman (Maus), Chris Ware (Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth), and Gary Panter (Jimbo)
Clearly shows a bias towards superhero comics, doesn't it? When are we going to get over "trite, vapid, action-movie-esque, old" superhero bullshit like Maus and Jimmy Corrigan and find some comics with substance???
Okay, I'm done now. And yes, I do realize that Jack Kirby is listed there, but that's one person.
Cheech said:
It could be because they're only talking about (trite, vapid, action-movie-esque, old) superhero comics rather than interesting (substantive, funny, compelling, recent) ones.
It could be that you have no idea what you're talking about.
No, no, he's absolutely right. Look at the list of the "masters":
Lyonel Feininger (The Kin-der-Kids), George Herriman (Krazy Kat), Winsor McCay (Little Nemo), Milton Caniff (Steve Canyon), Charles Schulz (Peanuts), Jack Kirby (Fantastic Four, X-Men), Harvey Kurtzman (MAD), R. Crumb, Art Spiegelman (Maus), Chris Ware (Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth), and Gary Panter (Jimbo)
Clearly shows a bias towards superhero comics, doesn't it? When are we going to get over "trite, vapid, action-movie-esque, old" superhero bullshit like Maus and Jimmy Corrigan and find some comics with substance???
Okay, I'm done now. And yes, I do realize that Jack Kirby is listed there, but that's one person.
Okay, I guess I shoulda read the thing. I'm just used to being around people who ONLY talk about superhero comics... unlike their list.
(Do I give the impression as someone who's ALWAYS ranting? Cuz this was maybe my 10th Boards post in the past 6 months.)
You two were right, and I was wrong. It's still strange that they ignored women artists, which I guess is the original point.
Cheech said:
Okay, I guess I shoulda read the thing. I'm just used to being around people who ONLY talk about superhero comics... unlike their list.
(Do I give the impression as someone who's ALWAYS ranting? Cuz this was maybe my 10th Boards post in the past 6 months.)
You two were right, and I was wrong. It's still strange that they ignored women artists, which I guess is the original point.
Nah, the "ranting out of habit" comment comes from the fact that I know tons of people who like more literary comics. These people are frequently bitter. By the way, Warren Ellis has a forum set up where people can discuss non-superhero comics. I'm not sure of the address right now, but you can no doubt find it on Google. I thought that might be a good tool, since most comic forums only have a small segment of people who aren't discussing, say, House of M.
Cheech said:
Okay, I guess I shoulda read the thing. I'm just used to being around people who ONLY talk about superhero comics... unlike their list.
(Do I give the impression as someone who's ALWAYS ranting? Cuz this was maybe my 10th Boards post in the past 6 months.)
You two were right, and I was wrong. It's still strange that they ignored women artists, which I guess is the original point.
Nah, the "ranting out of habit" comment comes from the fact that I know tons of people who like more literary comics. These people are frequently bitter. By the way, Warren Ellis has a forum set up where people can discuss non-superhero comics. I'm not sure of the address right now, but you can no doubt find it on Google. I thought that might be a good tool, since most comic forums only have a small segment of people who aren't discussing, say, House of M.
Oh, well, I'm bitter, but not about comics.
Next time, I'll try 'n read the article/ big list first before I crack on people totally unassociated with it.
Of all the people mentioned above only one Marie Severin comes close to being "great." Julie Doucet is a decent story-teller but no great shakes as an artist. I am surprised no-one mentioned Francoise Mouly or Marjane Satrapi, both of whom are quite good.
There are two truly great old-school female artists, though:
Ramona Fradon (Aquaman, many others)
Dale Messick (creator of Brenda Starr)
Both these women were not only trailblazers but influential stylists. Look at Fradon's work from the 50's and 60's it's sublime stuff.
The creator of the Kewpie Dolls, Rose O'Neill, was also one of the greats, albeit someone few people recall today.
Cheech said:
Okay, I guess I shoulda read the thing. I'm just used to being around people who ONLY talk about superhero comics... unlike their list.
(Do I give the impression as someone who's ALWAYS ranting? Cuz this was maybe my 10th Boards post in the past 6 months.)
You two were right, and I was wrong. It's still strange that they ignored women artists, which I guess is the original point.
Nah, the "ranting out of habit" comment comes from the fact that I know tons of people who like more literary comics. These people are frequently bitter. By the way, Warren Ellis has a forum set up where people can discuss non-superhero comics. I'm not sure of the address right now, but you can no doubt find it on Google. I thought that might be a good tool, since most comic forums only have a small segment of people who aren't discussing, say, House of M.
EndedBen
Grand Rapids, MI
August 2004
DEC 03, 2005 10:31 AM