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susannah_breslin

susannah_breslin

I'm lost
June 2005

NOV 06, 2005 11:39 AM

"Self-Mutilation Is the Sincerest Form of Flattery" looks at the art of Marina Abramovic, an artist who longs to be crucified. Beginning on Wednesday, Abramovic will be staging a series of performances, "Seven Easy Pieces," for which she will be recreating notorious performance art works. She wanted to recreate Chris Burden's "Transfixed," crucifying herself on a Russian limo instead of a Volkswagen Bug. Unfortunately, Burden declined giving her permission to recreate his piece. Instead, she will be carving a star into her stomach with a razor blade, whipping herself, and lying on an ice cross to bleed.

Partly to prove that she is as committed to these ideas as she was in her 20's, Ms. Abramovic had wanted to include not only Mr. Burden's crucifixion piece but also a re-creation of what she considers her most radical work, called "Rhythm 0." Performed only once in Naples in 1974, its premise was terrifyingly simple: She agreed to stand in a gallery for six hours while anyone who came in could choose any of 72 objects around her - including knives, scissors, a needle, a loaded gun - and do anything they wanted to her with the objects. It was her only work in which she essentially ceded control over her body, and over the pain to be inflicted, to her audience.

The participants became involved slowly at first, but after a while Ms. Abramovic's clothes were cut off, and her body marked, burned and cut. Finally, a man took the gun and made her put it up to her head, trying to force her to squeeze the trigger. She didn't resist, but a fight ensued as other spectators intervened. "This was the only performance where I was really ready to die," she said. Trying to explain why, she repeated a well-known quotation from the artist Bruce Nauman, one of whose performance pieces will also be recreated in her show: "Art is a matter of life and death. This may be melodramatic, but it is also true."

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

NOV 06, 2005 11:43 AM

This woman is more alive than I. Amazing.

Liante

Liante

SUICIDEGIRL

Kiribati

NOV 06, 2005 11:51 AM

... whatever

Apart from all the other things I want to say here (none of them nice), dude, what a fucking hassle. If that guy had gotten her to pull the trigger, say hello to one of the most ridiculous homicide prosecutions/crim law final exam questions ever.

I can see the Law & Order episode already.

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

NOV 06, 2005 11:53 AM

Ah the performance artists of the 70's how I love thee.
But honey, it's been done before, all of it, you did it yourself. Bravo, bravo, bravo! but do not overshadow your last performance with a petty recreation, or reunion tour if you will. There is a reason Burden did not give you permission, because it's been done before. Why recreate it, why relive the past! Sweety, the only way you can take this further is by blowing your brains out on a canvas, but other then that it's old hat.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

NOV 06, 2005 12:08 PM

Man, I really don't get art.

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

NOV 06, 2005 12:13 PM

MrStitches said:
Man, I really don't get art.



It's easy. To this generation Art Was Spectical. The more shocked you could get people the better! Their theory was that there was nothing new under the sun in terms of traditionalism, and even modern art, so they removed the process of creating an image out of the picture, and used their bodies as an avenue to create a grandiose spectical. It was their attempt to do something new. And it worked they got themselves in the art history books.

Art is just about being new, nothing more, nothing less. People will do anything to be new, it's kind of a circus really.

thestral

thestral

Manassas, VA
August 2005

NOV 06, 2005 12:14 PM

Why is it that when I pay a girl 500 bucks to let me do anything to her, it's prostitution and when this chick lays herself out so anyone can do anything to her, it's art?

Oh well.

Joual

Joual

Israel
October 2005

NOV 06, 2005 12:18 PM

thestral said:
Why is it that when I pay a girl 500 bucks to let me do anything to her, it's prostitution and when this chick lays herself out so anyone can do anything to her, it's art?

Oh well.



See, the thing is sex is evil and nasty and shameful whereas letting someone put a fucking gun to your head is fine art.

AstralTraveller

AstralTraveller

United Kingdom
January 2003

NOV 06, 2005 12:22 PM

hmmmmagicofart

Al

Al

SUICIDEGIRL

Christmas Island

NOV 06, 2005 12:32 PM

Whoah.

I would totally go to every night of that if I could.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

NOV 06, 2005 12:33 PM

Liante said:
I can see the Law & Order episode already.


Well, the trial half I can see.

The first half, 20-odd minutes of the two cops finding their way past a half dozen red herrings, seems not so challenging here. wink

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

NOV 06, 2005 12:33 PM

I am going to buy and sponsor this artist. Links please!

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

NOV 06, 2005 12:43 PM

Taureolt said:
I am going to buy and sponsor this artist. Links please!



I'll let you sponsor me if your looking for an artist to support!!! wink
I don't think this woman needs any money really, she's a rockstar artist, they tend to be set up pretty well.

Alyk

Alyk

Boston, MA
February 2005

NOV 06, 2005 12:43 PM

Yes link please, so I can send her my psychotherapist's business card or maybe just ship her some klonopin...

DrStinkypants

DrStinkypants

Saint Paul, MN
October 2002

NOV 06, 2005 01:03 PM

heresy200 said:

MrStitches said:
Man, I really don't get art.



It's easy. To this generation Art Was Spectical. The more shocked you could get people the better! Their theory was that there was nothing new under the sun in terms of traditionalism, and even modern art, so they removed the process of creating an image out of the picture, and used their bodies as an avenue to create a grandiose spectical. It was their attempt to do something new. And it worked they got themselves in the art history books.

Art is just about being new, nothing more, nothing less. People will do anything to be new, it's kind of a circus really.



thats not art, its spectical. thats why they call it spectical.

BurningKrome

BurningKrome

San Jose, CA
April 2005

NOV 06, 2005 01:13 PM

People. Let's not confuse art with mental illness.

Liante

Liante

SUICIDEGIRL

Kiribati

NOV 06, 2005 01:13 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

Liante said:
I can see the Law & Order episode already.


Well, the trial half I can see.

The first half, 20-odd minutes of the two cops finding their way past a half dozen red herrings, seems not so challenging here. wink



Nonsense. You could totally fill up 20 minutes of voyeuristically flipping through black-and-white still shots of her past work (scantily clad, of course, but probably with butcher knives or barbed wire coils or something equally cliche-freaky to strategically cover up the naughty bits), interviewing other crackpot artist-stereotypes for glimpses into her past life and audience members for why they got involved, and -- wait, I've got it, let's throw in her past boyfriends too! All in an effort to "investigate" the motives for why she did this and why the audience members got involved.

Then for the red herring we can have her with a history of past drug abuse that weakened her heart (because, you know, all performance artists use drugs) and inconclusive medical results saying that maybe she was dying of a heart attack from the excitement of the fight before he pulled the trigger.

Man, I should write for this show.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

NOV 06, 2005 01:15 PM

heresy200 said:

Taureolt said:
I am going to buy and sponsor this artist. Links please!



I'll let you sponsor me if your looking for an artist to support!!! wink
I don't think this woman needs any money really, she's a rockstar artist, they tend to be set up pretty well.


Sure man. Let me see your work.

Dallas

Dallas

SUICIDEGIRL

Ontario, Canada

NOV 06, 2005 01:19 PM

very dramatic. i like it.

sandman226

sandman226

Blacklick, OH
July 2003

NOV 06, 2005 01:39 PM

heresy200 said:
Art is just about being new, nothing more, nothing less. People will do anything to be new, it's kind of a circus really.



I disagree. I think art is about a lot of things. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there creating pieces of art that just don't interest very many people. It's not so much that it's not completely different than anything else that has been done, it's that the art work is just not very interesting to the people who see it.

Anyway, I would really like to see still pictures of Abramovic on the ice cross. The contrast in color from the flesh to the blood and then the ice would make for an incredible picture and work of art.

[Edited on Nov 06, 2005 1:44PM]

dork13

dork13

Winston Salem, NC
April 2004

NOV 06, 2005 02:11 PM

some folks are willing to call anything art....that's the beauty of it i suppose...the guy should have pulled the trigger and fulfilled all of her dreams.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

NOV 06, 2005 02:16 PM

heresy200 said:
Ah the performance artists of the 70's how I love thee.
But honey, it's been done before, all of it, you did it yourself. Bravo, bravo, bravo! but do not overshadow your last performance with a petty recreation, or reunion tour if you will. There is a reason Burden did not give you permission, because it's been done before. Why recreate it, why relive the past! Sweety, the only way you can take this further is by blowing your brains out on a canvas, but other then that it's old hat.


Yeah, "sweety," why don't you just hang it up, and stay in the kitchen, "honey?"

Way to condescend. To be 25 and have seen it all must be something truly special.

SuntLacrimae

SuntLacrimae

Eugene, OR
October 2005

NOV 06, 2005 03:09 PM

PointBlank said:

heresy200 said:
Ah the performance artists of the 70's how I love thee.
But honey, it's been done before, all of it, you did it yourself. Bravo, bravo, bravo! but do not overshadow your last performance with a petty recreation, or reunion tour if you will. There is a reason Burden did not give you permission, because it's been done before. Why recreate it, why relive the past! Sweety, the only way you can take this further is by blowing your brains out on a canvas, but other then that it's old hat.


Yeah, "sweety," why don't you just hang it up, and stay in the kitchen, "honey?"

Way to condescend. To be 25 and have seen it all must be something truly special.



How much history and theory of modern art have you studied? It's possible to be young but to know what one is talking about; he does make a valid point. When you want to criticize someone for being condescending, don't do it by condescending. Not the best rhetorical strategy.


[Edited on Nov 06, 2005 by SuntLacrimae]

ChinezePanda

ChinezePanda

New York, NY
October 2005

NOV 06, 2005 03:48 PM

..... whatever

whatever.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

NOV 06, 2005 05:28 PM

BurningKrome said:
People. Let's not confuse art with mental illness.



There's been a pretty strong historical tie between the two.
Although I think this leans more towards the latter.

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