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wottan

wottan

Vancouver, BC
July 2004

OCT 17, 2005 10:18 AM

In the early 1990s a Swedish man donated his sperm to a lesbian couple, now he is being ordered by Supreme Court to pay child support for the three resulting children.


Although the man signed a document confirming he was the biological father of the children, he told the court the women agreed he would not be involved in their upbringing in any way.

But when the women separated, the biological mother of the three boys demanded child support payments from the man.



The trial passed through regular court, before the man took the appeal up with the Supreme court, where the ruling was upheld.

It definetly sucks for the guy, but I cannot see him having any legal recourse if the agreement of his non-involvement was not recorded in some sort of contract.

Burzum

Burzum

San Juan Capistrano, CA
July 2004

OCT 17, 2005 10:20 AM

Was this donation through a sperm bank, or was it informally given to the lesbian couple? If it wasn't through a sperm bank, it sucks for the guy, but that's why you do things within the system. If it was through a sperm bank, I would expect to see sperm banks dry up pretty quickly if every donor, instead of getting paid $50, has to be strapped with child support payments for the next 20 years.

[Edited on Oct 17, 2005 by Burzum]

Toole

Toole

United Kingdom
October 2005

OCT 17, 2005 10:22 AM

That is entirely shitty. A decent charitable act repaid for with the woman suing his arse off for what she sees as free money? A sign of the times if I ever saw one.

Ziricote

Ziricote

United Kingdom
January 2005

OCT 17, 2005 10:26 AM

well there goes my big money making idea out the window whatever

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

OCT 17, 2005 10:31 AM

I can imagine that he is peed off, but he is the father and is it most fair for him to support his child or for the state supports his child?

I can imagine that the mother may have fallen on hard times and then taken whatever action she could to support the child, even if that meant a betrayal of the fathers kindness.

It is predictable that she might do that, and he should have thought things through more carefully.

I think that it is a totally shitty action of the mother, but the legal judgement is fair; provided that it does not apply to anonymous sperm donations.

tensix

tensix

Regina, SK
October 2005

OCT 17, 2005 10:50 AM

If anything, the other woman should be making child support payments, not that guy. That's just an extra shitty thing to do. It's kind of like getting a research grant to build something, hurting yourself with it, then suing whoever gave you the money to build it in the first place. At least we can look forward to some funny ads on television...

Imagine, if you will, a TV set. A man appears on the screen sitting behind a desk and wearing stylish suit.

"Are you stressed? Does work take time that you could be spending on such important social events as having children and watching wrestling?

Well then sue your boss!

The great thing about this world is that you can sue pretty much anyone for pretty much anything and you'll probably win... or at least get a large settlement.

At the lawfirm of Dnanna & Sons, we specialise in dealing with large damage claims and can teach you how falling down and howling like a sissy can result in large damage awards from your employer--We can even teach you how to throw yourself in front of a bus and pretend to be injured! Hey, that's why they pay for insurance.

So call the lawfirm of Dnanna & Sons now at 1-800-I-SUE-YOU and get ready for a life of luxury!"

HyenaHell

hyenahell

I'm lost
April 2003

OCT 17, 2005 10:50 AM

where's the other mother? did she just split and leave her ex-partner with the three kids? does she not have partial custody, or at least a sense of responsibilty for the children? pretty shitty, any way you look at it.

thestral

thestral

Manassas, VA
August 2005

OCT 17, 2005 10:50 AM

MetaTag said:
I can imagine that he is peed off, but he is the father and is it most fair for him to support his child or for the state supports his child?

I can imagine that the mother may have fallen on hard times and then taken whatever action she could to support the child, even if that meant a betrayal of the fathers kindness.

It is predictable that she might do that, and he should have thought things through more carefully.

I think that it is a totally shitty action of the mother, but the legal judgement is fair; provided that it does not apply to anonymous sperm donations.



Well, rather than either him OR the state pay to raise the child, how about the women who agreed to raise the child in the first place fucking raise the child goddamnit? When a man and a woman get married and have a kid there's an unspoken agreement that even if they split up, they will be responsible for the child. If gay couples want the same rights then they have to accept the same fucking responsibilities. She should be able to sue the other woman who she split up with for child support, not the guy whose biological material they used.

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

OCT 17, 2005 11:00 AM

What a crappy thing to do to a person.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

OCT 17, 2005 11:12 AM

That's fucking bullshit.

heresy2007

heresy2007

New Paltz, NY
July 2004

OCT 17, 2005 11:12 AM

WOW!

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

OCT 17, 2005 11:16 AM

thestral said:
She should be able to sue the other woman who she split up with for child support, not the guy whose biological material they used.



Sadly the article makes no mention of the other womans situation. Can she be found and does she have an income to fight over?

He may have the ability to sue the other woman, if she was party to the original contract (which she seems to be). He may even be able to sue the mother if her circumstances change in the future (in the unlikely case that she becomes rich) if there is a valid contract that she would not take money from him.

However, that does not change the fact that someone needs to support the children, which he fathered.

The onus is on him to consider fully the consequences of his actions and more fool him for neglecting to do so.

ken23

ken23

Glendale Heights, IL
July 2005

OCT 17, 2005 11:22 AM

That's one more reason to get a vasectomy. Fuck kids. Fuck child support.

YUSHi

YUSHi

United Kingdom
May 2004

OCT 17, 2005 11:30 AM

The guy should and probably is going to take the case to the European Court of Justice since Sweden is a member of the EU he has the right to do so. He may or may not loose the case there too but at very least it will hold everything up for a few years and since the eldest child is 16 (i assume the children came in quick succession) by the time the case was resolved then most of the kids probably will be ineligible for maintenance payments.

Dizzy

Dizzy

Los Angeles, CA
January 2004

OCT 17, 2005 11:34 AM

That's jacked up.

Mark_plus_Beer

Mark_plus_Beer

United Kingdom
August 2005

OCT 17, 2005 12:14 PM

Thats a big fucking kick in the balls after doing a good thing !!

eeek

Tadzi

Tadzi

Greeley, CO
April 2003

OCT 17, 2005 12:38 PM

only in america

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 17, 2005 12:44 PM

Tadzi said:
only in america



But isn't this in Sweden?

hello_kitten

hello_kitten

I'm lost
May 2004

OCT 17, 2005 12:53 PM

That's fucked up.

Tadzi

Tadzi

Greeley, CO
April 2003

OCT 17, 2005 01:18 PM

Subrosa said:

Tadzi said:
only in america



But isn't this in Sweden?




well i figured the guy was sweedish...but i figured that since it said supreme court, it meant the US supreme court, implying he was living in the US.

Oracle

Oracle

Courtenay, BC
September 2003

OCT 17, 2005 01:28 PM

a HUGE set back for gay marriages and equality.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 17, 2005 01:33 PM

Tadzi said:

Subrosa said:

Tadzi said:
only in america



But isn't this in Sweden?




well i figured the guy was sweedish...but i figured that since it said supreme court, it meant the US supreme court, implying he was living in the US.



Yeah, I'm not so sure. I haven't seen anything about it on any US news sources. I think it's Swedish.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

OCT 17, 2005 01:35 PM

This Swedish ruling seems very fishy.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 17, 2005 01:43 PM

What's more, the article doesn't mention in detail any of the facts of the case or the reasoning that the decision was based on. It's impossible to say whether this is a just or unjust ruling(not to mention figure out where the hell this is) without more information or background.

SovietCanada

sovietcanada

Montreal, QC
February 2005

OCT 17, 2005 01:48 PM

Whats the name of the woman? I'm going to assassinate her. surreal

[Edited on Oct 17, 2005 4:48PM]

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