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FieldOfDepth

FieldOfDepth

Christmas Island
May 2004

OCT 03, 2005 12:47 AM

It misses you too. frown

Clairevoyance

Clairevoyance

Tallahassee, FL
July 2004

OCT 03, 2005 01:06 AM

I love Walmart because I buy everything there, including food, even though I know it's evil blackeyed

StickyRice

StickyRice

Atlanta, GA
January 2003

OCT 03, 2005 01:08 AM

Low prices, weird-looking people, immense parking lots.

Elijah

Elijah

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

OCT 03, 2005 01:14 AM

walmart sucks.

props to target.

StickyRice

StickyRice

Atlanta, GA
January 2003

OCT 03, 2005 01:21 AM

Elijah said:
walmart sucks.

props to target.




Target's good, but they rape you on the cards ... the "discount" cards, I mean. Sign up and you get a reduced price on today's purchase.

MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Portland, OR
August 2002

OCT 03, 2005 06:33 AM

In case you staunch defenders of Wal-Mart missed my earlier post, here's some quotes for you to read (let me know if you have trouble with the big words).

The United States recognizes workers’ right to organize unions. Government employers generally may not interfere with public sector employees’ freedom of association. In the private sector, workers’ right to organize is protected by the National Labor Relations Act. Internationally, this right is recognized as a core labor standard and a basic human right.

...

Wal-Mart’s rampant violations of workers’ rights figured prominently. In the last few years, well over 100 unfair labor practice charges have been lodged against Wal-Mart throughout the country, with 43 charges filed in 2002 alone. Since 1995, the U.S. government has been forced to issue at least 60 complaints against Wal-Mart at the National Labor Relations Board. Wal-Mart’s labor law violations range from illegally firing workers who attempt to organize a union to unlawful surveillance, threats, and intimidation of employees who dare to speak out.

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By keeping unions at bay, Wal-Mart keeps its wages low – even by general industry standards. The average supermarket employee makes $10.35 per hour. Sales clerks at Wal-Mart, on the other hand, made only $8.23 per hour on average, or $13,861 per year, in 2001. Some estimate that average “associate” salaries range from $7.50 to $8.50 per hour.16 With an average on-the-clock workweek of 32 hours, many workers take home less than $1,000 per month.

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In 2001, six women sued Wal-Mart in California claiming the company discriminated against women by systematically denying them promotions and paying them less than men. The lawsuit has expanded to potentially the largest class action in U.S. history – on behalf of more than 1 million current and former female employees. While two-thirds of the company’s hourly workers are female, women hold only one-third of managerial positions and constitute less than 15 percent of store managers.

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Because Wal-Mart wages are generally not living wages, the company uses taxpayers to subsidize its labor costs. While the California study showed how much taxpayers were subsidizing Wal-Mart on health care alone, the total costs to taxpayers for Wal-Mart’s labor policies are much greater. The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:


  • $36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.
  • $42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.
  • $125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.
  • $100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.
  • $108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.
  • $9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.


Among Wal-Mart employees, some single workers may be able to make ends meet. Others may be forced to take on two or three jobs. Others may have a spouse with a better job. And others simply cannot make ends meet. Because Wal-Mart fails to pay sufficient wages, U.S. taxpayers are forced to pick up the tab. In this sense, Wal-Mart’s profits are not made only on the backs of its employees – but on the backs of every U.S. taxpayer.



Still want to shop there? If you say yes, then I can only assume that you glossed over all the info I provided, and that you actually do have a pile of dogshit instead of a brain. Oh, and in case you think I'm making this up, check it out- this report is from the House of Representatives Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Helly

Helly

Australia
December 2004

OCT 03, 2005 06:38 AM

I have never been to walmart, I only learned of it when I joined SG. However, I hope they never bring them to Oz because they sound horrid.

edited because I typoed

wink

[Edited on Oct 03, 2005 by hellfaerie]

Elijah

Elijah

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

OCT 03, 2005 07:05 AM

its funny how everyone bitches about walmart, yet they wouldnt exist if people werent shopping there.
i dont shop there, but i guess if you are low income its good. i just hate cheap shit.
i dont feel bad for the way they treat their employees, because they choose to work there. its not like it would be hard to get another job. its not a skilled occupation.

commonman

commonman

USA
August 2003

OCT 03, 2005 09:02 AM

Elijah said:
its funny how everyone bitches about walmart, yet they wouldnt exist if people werent shopping there.
i dont shop there, but i guess if you are low income its good. i just hate cheap shit.
i dont feel bad for the way they treat their employees, because they choose to work there. its not like it would be hard to get another job. its not a skilled occupation.



That's the point. It's not a skilled occupation. The less skilled the person, the more likely they are to be unemployed. Check out this chart from the US Gummint:

Unemployment rate in 2003
(Percent) Education attained Median weekly earnings in 2003
(Dollars)
2.1 Doctoral degree $1,349
1.7 Professional degree 1,307
2.9 Master's degree 1,064
3.3 Bachelor's degree 900
4.0 Associate degree 672
5.2 Some college, no degree 622
5.5 High-school graduate 554
8.8 Some high-school, no diploma 396
Link: Link

So it's much harder to get a job if you're unskilled, and they all pay less. I doubt anyone who works at Wal-Mart chooses to do so, they just have no other options.

Edited because this shows up all sucky and I can't fix it! Grrrr.


[Edited on Oct 03, 2005 by commonman]

Elijah

Elijah

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

OCT 03, 2005 09:33 AM

commonman said:

That's the point. It's not a skilled occupation. The less skilled the person, the more likely they are to be unemployed.

So it's much harder to get a job if you're unskilled, and they all pay less. I doubt anyone who works at Wal-Mart chooses to do so, they just have no other options.



i agree that its hard for an unskilled person to get a good job, but i dont agree that they have no other choice. theres plenty of other buisnesses that take the same amount of skill as working at walmart, im sure walmart isnt the only place in town. restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, etc. all im saying is it bothers me when people complain about something but dont make an effort to fix their situation. if your happy at your job, stay. if your not, quit. its much easier to find a job at minimum wage than if you have a good paying job and are unhappy. at least people making minimum wage are guaranteed to make minimum wage at their next job.

evolution

evolution

Canada
November 2003

OCT 03, 2005 10:34 AM

What is most ironic is that most of Wal-Mart's low-income shoppers are the same people that get affected by the company's "crush all" philosophy. By shopping at Wal-Mart to save 20¢ on detergent they're just contributing to their own potential unemployment, unless of course they work at Wal-Mart.

ragefilledmuffin

ragefilledmuffin

Aurora, IL
November 2004

OCT 04, 2005 09:08 AM

I love Walmart's craft section. My kitty loves the little pouches of Walmart brand kitty food--they are her absolute favorite treat. Yeah, I shop there and I work for a competitor (I shop where I work too).
They aren't perfect but most of the people around here that work there seem to be treated the same as most other retail employees--that is, not great, but not horrendous. Walmart is the McDonalds of the retail world--the biggest, best known company, so people choose to point the finger at them for all evils of the retail world.

ragefilledmuffin

ragefilledmuffin

Aurora, IL
November 2004

OCT 04, 2005 09:18 AM

sometimes said:

CrazyWhiteGirl said:
Seriously, if I'm willing to tackle Walmart cuz I need some stuff I'm totally going to. I don't have a lot of money and I'd prefer to spend money on fun shit for myself instead of groceries and day to day items. I'd MUCH rather spend 50% less on the exact same thing at Walmart. Many companies treat employees badly/are evil/whatever. The world is evil. So what, get used to it.


i fucking concur honey.



Me too.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

OCT 04, 2005 09:24 AM

WalMart depresses me. I don't like big anonymous looking places totally devoid of character.

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