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TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 28, 2005 02:43 PM

coldenginelogic said:
So if you have elected to have your speech censored...then why would you and 17 pages worth of other people complain about censorship at the hands of our government?


Company policy is company policy. (And company actions are company actions.)

Government policy is government policy. (And government actions are government actions.)

If I don't like company policy, I can sit in silence or leave the site and find another place to play, or set up my own.

If I run afoul of the government, even by doing something that nobody is being directly hurt by in any tangible way, then I may end up being taken to court and fined or jailed.

Seriously, this has nothing to do with whether I agree with the way SG staff run their business, or whether I would run such a business differently. The point is that it is their business to run as they see fit, for better or worse.

But their business is none of the government's business. That's the one and only issue that matters right here and now.

That help?

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

SEP 28, 2005 02:47 PM

coldenginelogic said:
A nightclub is not billed as a place to come and share in a diverse culture of likeminded people...it is a nightclub


Actually, considering that most nightclubs advertise the type of music they play and dress code of clubgoers, I'd say that's pretty much exactly the way they're billed.

If I owned a factory and 30 out of say 300 of my people walked out-I would think it would be time to re-evaluate my company--further-if those people had been forced into silence here and on other forums ( which they have) then as a patron, I might be a little suspect as to what is going on...rumors always have a little bit of truth to them...and truth be told there are so many "rumors" flying around all over the place that it is difficult to really know what to believe ( but I surmise there is truth-considering the caliber and popularity of the models who have walked) --If there is nothing shady going down then why are people and models/and members being zotted for trying to speak their side of the story???
again...it seems rather shallow and scummy to cry foul on the government when the precise thing is happening ( in effect) to the community who pays for its continued thriving culture...
but-like I said-I am just trying to have a frank talk about a place I have spent a lot of time...if anyone can shed some more light on the topic...i would love to hear it...


Try here.

[Edited on Sep 28, 2005 by bean]

fpkk

fpkk

United Kingdom
June 2003

SEP 28, 2005 03:05 PM

coldenginelogic said:
A nightclub is not billed as a place to come and share in a diverse culture of likeminded people...it is a nightclub--why do you continue to try to argue from a buisness perspective?



This is billed, unless I misread, as a place for pin-up rock and goth girls: pictures, journals and videos. Not "a place to come and share in a diverse culture of likeminded people". That's just a bonus. And if you find they're not likeminded for whatever reason you can stop interacting with that bunch of assholes and go find some like minded people to hang out with elsewhere.

coldenginelogic said:
If I owned a factory and 30 out of say 300 of my people walked out-I would think it would be time to re-evaluate my company



Then after you spent all that money on management consultants you found out that 10 of them were leaving the area, 10 of them just needed a career break, 10 of them got jobs elsewhere. There are lots of possible reasons for people to do lots of things. Jumping to conclusions is a good way to piss money up the wall in business and a good way to make a twat fo yourself in real life.

coldenginelogic said:
further-if those people had been forced into silence here and on other forums ( which they have) then as a patron, I might be a little suspect as to what is going on...rumors always have a little bit of truth to them...and truth be told there are so many "rumors" flying around all over the place that it is difficult to really know what to believe ( but I surmise there is truth-considering the caliber and popularity of the models who have walked) --If there is nothing shady going down then why are people and models/and members being zotted for trying to speak their side of the story???



The really good thing about not being a member of staff, a lawyer retained by the site, one of the people who left and of living on the other side of the fucking Atlantic Ocean is that I can just sit back and let it all sort itself out.

If when the dust settles it turns out that there was some Illuminati style conspiracy with assassins and double dealing and people being shot in the head for knowing too much then I can act on having that information in the fullest manner possible.

If on the other hand it turned out to be a storm in a teacup involving breakdown of communication and personality clash I can continue to do nothing.

coldenginelogic said:
again...it seems rather shallow and scummy to cry foul on the government when the precise thing is happening ( in effect) to the community who pays for its continued thriving culture...
but-like I said-I am just trying to have a frank talk about a place I have spent a lot of time...if anyone can shed some more light on the topic...i would love to hear it...



If it comes to light that this is a dark place of foul demons I shall leave it and never think of it again. I shall not be erecting some perverse temple of hate that depends for its gravity and sunlight on the very thing it professes to loathe.

I would say that any organisation or group that has this kind of arrangement as its core is conflicted and its perspective perverse of necessity.

The simplest explanation for these things is not the most dramatic. The mundanest explanation is probably the closest to the truth. The most boring explanation I can come up with is unspectacular and not really worth talking about.

Once again I and several other people can repeat the "War on Porn" and associated chilling effect are real, they are impostions of government and that's different to some people in an SME falling out with some of their freelancers.

And as I said before maybe their is a contradiction in absolute terms here but big deal. There is a rational, comfortable explanation for why it exists. So until anything other than smoke and whispers surfaces to unsettle me further I'm just going to chill and assume that everything will turn out okay in the end.

gothicsociety

gothicsociety

Lakewood, WA
July 2005

SEP 28, 2005 03:22 PM

To all those who say their votes dont matter: Just because you didnt win, doesnt mean you didnt make a difference. The point is, that the majority of 18 to 30 year olds dont vote, so we get christian fundimentalists in the White House. EVERYONE needs to stand up and be counted. Only when something is taken away from you do you get upset. Where we you when the patriot act was renewed? What did you say when the PA was used to target smoke shops and arrest ppl for haveing a pipe to smoke with? What did you say when Pat Robertson advocating assaination?
Come on now, you think this country was founded by ppl just talking? They sacrificed and made difficutl choices, and even died and in some cased sacrificed thier families for the hope, just the hope of freedom. You know, the freedon you enjoy right now sitting on your ass saying "i dont wanna vote im {insert excuse here}. The point is, why arent you writing a letter? why arent you taking it to the streets outside SG Headquarters? Why arent you doing something besdies saying "Bush Sucks!"?
You know what im doing? Running for public office. Making comments in my Magazine that I publish. And as soon as I am able, I will be polling radio and talk shows about doing interviews about his crazy shit. You wanna help. email me.
If not, you have no right to complain.
pmmagazine@pmmagazine.net

NatasKaput

NatasKaput

Bozeman, MT
December 2002

SEP 28, 2005 03:38 PM

i find this all too funny

AdamJ

AdamJ

Revere, MA
February 2005

SEP 28, 2005 08:27 PM

AdamJ said:

NA_Mike said:

Michael_DeSade said:
So be it. I voted for George Bush, go fuck yourself.
ARRR!!!



I did too biggrin



Any particular reason why?



Still no answer, I take it? A pity, that.

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

SEP 29, 2005 06:13 AM

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/28/suicide_girls_rumord.html


While we do not believe any of our images are illegal, SG has removed a number of images in order to ensure that we are not targeted by the U.S. Government's new "War on Porn."

We have received no formal government notice to remove these images, however, in the course of our involvement, as witnesses, in a federal criminal prosecution that does not target SG, we have been made aware of the risks posting such content poses the owners of the company. Given the U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' new war on porn task force and it's intent to bring obscenity charges against their loosely defined "Deviant" imagery, we have removed any images with fake blood and any images we felt could be wrongfully construed as sadist or masochist.

Given the natural disasters in Louisiana and Texas, the U.S. Government's numerous foreign war's and the growing U.S. deficit, we feel there are far better uses of government resources then pursuing the legality of imagery created by consenting adults, but as is usually the case, our opinions are not shared by the Current U.S. Administration. Also, we really miss Bill Clinton.

Truffles

Truffles

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

OCT 01, 2005 10:16 AM

This isn't a War on Pornography this my friends is a War on Boobies!!!

I guess the feds veiws are:

"If I can't have em, band em!"

norritt

norritt

Mesa, AZ
December 2002

OCT 03, 2005 11:13 AM

Michael_DeSade said:
So be it. I voted for George Bush, go fuck yourself.
ARRR!!!



i was planning on doing that but they took my pictures away wink

ah fuck bush biggrin

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 03, 2005 11:23 AM

AdamJ said:

AdamJ said:

NA_Mike said:

Michael_DeSade said:
So be it. I voted for George Bush, go fuck yourself.
ARRR!!!



I did too biggrin



Any particular reason why?



Still no answer, I take it? A pity, that.



I made it pretty public. For future reference, it's best to ask me a question on my journal if you really want a response.
ARRR!!!

xokatyxo

xokatyxo

United Kingdom
December 2004

OCT 03, 2005 11:39 AM

This is why I ALWAYS vote. This is why I GET INVOLVED. This is why I SCREAM & SHOUT.

This is why I... want to chain myself to the White House railings naked and drenched in pigs blood.

AdamJ

AdamJ

Revere, MA
February 2005

OCT 03, 2005 01:01 PM

Michael_DeSade said:

AdamJ said:

AdamJ said:

NA_Mike said:

Michael_DeSade said:
So be it. I voted for George Bush, go fuck yourself.
ARRR!!!



I did too biggrin



Any particular reason why?



Still no answer, I take it? A pity, that.



I made it pretty public. For future reference, it's best to ask me a question on my journal if you really want a response.
ARRR!!!



I was asking NA_Mike, actually, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

Spookie

Spookie

I'm lost
August 2005

OCT 07, 2005 09:19 AM

this is fucking BULLSHIIIIIITTTTTTTTTT!!! mad mad mad

ambergarnet

ambergarnet

Glens Falls, NY
September 2005

OCT 08, 2005 12:58 PM

and remeber folks1 support your local president,,,,
asshole

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