NEWS: HIV-Positive Woman's Denial and Ignorance Kills Child

One of the top selling books right now is about natural remedies. Tons of people are buying it to get cures for heart disease, diabetes et al. And it's written by a guy who had to sign a consent decree not to make any more informercials because he'd made so many false claims in them. Due to the First Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution, he was allowed to make infomercials for books.

Guess what he's doing now?

And the suckers are lapping it up.

Blows my mind.

The woman seems sincere, too, which is the mind-blowing part. Maybe I'm too cynical, but a cracked-out mother who just didn't care wouldn't be quite as surprising. This woman is just off her fucking nut.

I read some of her blog that she's set up on the website for her daughter (http://www.ejlovetour.com) and it really sounds like she and her husband are full-out yuppie hippies gone horribly fucking wrong. They do their yoga, they eat only organic foods, they buy food from local ethnic food stands while on vacation and feel "cultured," they don't let their children kill bugs in the house because "the bugs are part of our family too" . . . and they don't believe that HIV causes AIDS.

There's even a picture on this photo gallery of her breast-feeding the girl as a baby--it's really pretty horrifying. "Wow--I just saw a photo of you giving your daughter AIDS."

I agree--if it's a crime to have sex with someone without informing them that you are HIV positive, then this woman and her husband and all of those doctors should go to jail, no question. The law doesn't give a flying fuck if I screw a bunch of people and give them all HIV because I don't believe that it causes AIDS--the point is that I passed HIV along to them--and the law shouldn't give a flying fuck what this woman believes here, either.

some people are fucking repulsive

I had the same reaction to the picture of Maggiore breastfeeding her daughter. Creepy shivers down my spine....ugh.

You know, I give the bitch kudos for bucking traditional thought (fuck what the Man says about HIV and AIDS) - she did her own research, she came up with an alternative hypothesis. She's currently in the experimental stage - by not indulging in recreational drugs and by eating healthy and exercising daily she's managed to live antiretroviral drug-free for 13 years without experiencing a fatal illness. Congrats, bitch. If she dies at 90 from a heart attack and her white cell count is over 10,000 maybe she'll prove that HIV doesn't have to be fatal for rich white vegan exercise buffs in denial of having a fatal illness.

BUT

What right did she have to enroll two unconsenting human beings in her fucking experiment? And by promoting her theory as fact she's endangering other children AND their mother AND sexual partners of idiots who deny that HIV causes AIDS.

what a fucking shitbag.
its one thing to be a moron about your own health but to deny a serious medical condition in your own child, is just..argh, fucking horrible.

I don't understand how Fleiss (I refuse to use Dr.) could be "convinced either way" on the fact that HIV cause AIDS.....

I think the fact that a chimp can be injected with the HIV virus, fight it off, and look like "Thank you, may I have another....," while a human could be injected with the virus and die of AIDS, is pretty convincing that HIV causes AIDS.

that woman should rot for this.

you guys should seriously check out christian scienc.e... if you wanna get more pissed off i mean.

it's a whole freakin church with tons of this shit....

it's also rather cultlike.. around teh icon of mary baker eddy (founder)...

Shame on Dr. Fleiss. You'd think that he would lay low, especially after the scandal involving Heidi.

What a travesty for eveyone involved.

He was my pediatrician in the early 80's (oh the horror), and he was archaic even then. I'm shocked that he's still practicing, and I'm also concerned about the 50000 copies of the book this woman wrote. Are there others out there like her in such mass numbers?

Is it "guns don't kill people people with guns kill people, guns don't kill people bullets fired from guns aimed at people kill people"

I KNOW A GIRL LIKE THIS

she infected her boyfreind, and then cheated on him with his freind

While I am willing to listen to alternative ideas, they need to have some proof behind them. I would really like to see some proof that more children die from the HIV drugs than with nothing at all (or at least that they live longer).

Even if that were true, the mother played the game of ignorance. If she did nothing, her child would have had a 15-30% chance of contracting the virus. Less if she had taken the anti-fusion drugs and had a cesarean. She could have also reduced the risk of infection to her child if she refused to breastfeed them (by about 10-15%) but she didn't do this either.
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You know what I see this as? This is a rich woman who doesn't want to have the stigma of HIV/AIDS attached to her. And you know what? That's fine, and here's the key part, as long as your beliefs don't harm those around you. An innocent child died. That doesn't fucking happen these days because we know how to stop the infection from a pregnant mother onwards. But she chose the path of ignorance, and for this, her act is unforgivable.

I can't believe hardly anyone has ever heard of her. I've read about her for years. She raises a few good points, but she's mostly unconvincing in her arguments. There are some surprising unanswered questions about HIV, and she presents these thoroughly. The problem is that she makes dangerous leaps of logic and is willfully blind to the abundance of research that supports the standard HIV theory.

Her basic thining is this: "There are some things we still don't understand; therefore HIV doesn't cause AIDS." It's like the "god of the gaps" reasoning of the Intelligent Design movement.

What I want to know, since it wasn't mentioned in the article, is whether or not Eliza Jane was actually HIV-positive. They say she was never tested. Two people, one HIV positive and one HIV negative, can have the same "AIDS-related disease" and die, but only the HIV positive one will have died of "AIDS". A positive HIV test is required for an AIDS diagnosis. Keep in mind though, that this fungal pneumonia is extremely rare outside of HIV positive patients.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-charlie29sep29,1,4727840.story?coll=la-headlines-california

State officials forced them to have their son tested for HIV, and thankfully he tested negative. He'll be allowed to stay with them (they were considering removing custody) unless they're convicted of criminal charges related to their daughter's death.

I wonder why the daughter got it and the son didn't.

Not that I'm pro or anti the Alive and Well campaign but this case is more an issue of media releated hysteria then actual medical evidence. Check this website JusticeForEJ.com apprently the child didn't die of AIDS related illness.

Your source is exceptionally biased.

You tell me who has more interest in stating the child didn't die of an AIDS-related illness: an advisory board member of a group founded by the girl's mother that is dedicated to proving that AIDS doesn't kill people and HIV doesn't lead to AIDS, or the county medical examiner?

[Edited on Dec 16, 2005 by Shalome]

Both sides have interesting takes on the death of the child. Dr. Al-Bayati has submitted his findings for peer review. It will be interesting to see the results of the review.

I do have some skepticism of Dr. Al-Bayati's report because of his relation to "Alive and Well" however his relation to one side or the other (i'm sure Dr. Ribe is on the side of HIV leads to AIDS) does not make him instantly wrong.

I'll side with the peer reviews findings.