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VeganGirl

VeganGirl

Boulder, CO
August 2005

SEP 19, 2005 11:35 PM

Yes, in some ways..

[Edited on Sep 19, 2005 by VeganGirl]

Posh

Posh

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

SEP 19, 2005 11:45 PM

an ex of mine used to hit me. i didn't put up with that.. for long. once we broke up, he started hitting on his best friend's girlfriend. clearly, i picked a winner. anyway, he got his ass beat twice by this guy. that was karma in my mind.

SexyBeast

SexyBeast

Covington, LA
July 2004

SEP 19, 2005 11:50 PM

I don't believe there is anything mystical or supernatural about karma, but like Posh said, it does come around.

BigFloppy

BigFloppy

Hartford, CT
June 2005

SEP 19, 2005 11:55 PM

kharma, no

an eye for an eye, yes

toothpickmoe

toothpickmoe

Los Angeles, CA
May 2004

SEP 19, 2005 11:56 PM

Call it what you will, it does seem to happen.

lemuria

lemuria

Madagascar
May 2005

SEP 20, 2005 12:03 AM

yes i do. smile

PerfectTree

PerfectTree

Indianapolis, IN
August 2003

SEP 20, 2005 12:39 AM

In my experiences, bad things happen to you whether or not you've wronged others, and your generosities are seldom rewarded.. But I try to ignore that and be a good person anyway.

StickyRice

StickyRice

Atlanta, GA
January 2003

SEP 20, 2005 12:41 AM

Generally, yes ... though I think it takes a long time in some instances to reach the point of ripeness, where the karma (good or bad) is "repaid." PerfectTree has an excellent point. We don't often get to see the workings of karma, if such workings there are, but that doesn't mean we can't be good, as we understand it.

Vaux

Vaux

I'm lost
January 2008

SEP 20, 2005 12:46 AM

I'd say so, yeah. I guess that's why I'm kinda hoping, or living in perpetual hope, that all of this hard work...maybe something good will come out of all of this.

One can only hope, I guess...either that or despair....and I ain't one to give up before I'm done wink

hopelessC

hopelessC

Greeneville, TN
June 2005

SEP 20, 2005 12:51 AM

my karma ran over your dogma smile if you belive in fate does that make karma null and void?

StickyRice

StickyRice

Atlanta, GA
January 2003

SEP 20, 2005 12:58 AM

The karma/dogma thing is a bumper sticker, and funny, but the concept of fate doesn't conflict with that of karma, and even reinforces it.

Edited to add: Though I do not believe most fuckers get their comeuppance nearly fast enough.

[Edited on Sep 20, 2005 by StickyRice]

Clairevoyance

Clairevoyance

Tallahassee, FL
July 2004

SEP 20, 2005 12:59 AM

i sure as hell believe in it

dorwayin

dorwayin

I'm lost
April 2004

SEP 20, 2005 01:01 AM

Yes

Meaney

meaney

Chicago, IL
September 2003

SEP 20, 2005 01:11 AM

i really hope it doesn't work on the meaney.

blackeyed

fpkk

fpkk

United Kingdom
June 2003

SEP 20, 2005 01:33 AM

A word from a genuine student of Buddhist philosophy:

The Short Version.

Just because The Matrix Reloaded sucked llama balls does not mean the Indian dude in the subway station was wrong. The concept of karma is far more akin to the concept of "what I am here to do" than to "what goes around, comes around".


The Long Version.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

The Buddha put forth the noble truth of suffering, which is any state of heightened anxiety from what we would call suffering to lusting after a games console or craving a pint of beer. Suffering is inevitable to all people even if you live in the lap of luxury you still experience hunger, lust, desire which in Buddhist terms = suffering.

The goal of Buddhist meditation is to free oneself from desire but not to avoid suffering even the enlightened can suffer. To be free from desire is to be liberated from a mental attitude in which desire can control us, emotions happen but they are like the weather, impermanent, evanescent.

Our outlook shapes our karma insofar as we can look at situations as opportunities to dwell upon our own personal suffering or we can look to minimise suffering for others. If preoccupied with our own suffering then karma continually leads us from one situation where we can wallow in self-pity to the next not through any mystical cosmic force but because essentially we are doing it to ourselves. If, on the other hand, we determine to regard every situation as an opportunity to minimise suffering for those around us then our karma will lead us from one situation where we can help others to another and so forth.

Changing one's karma is not as easy as changing one's mind. There is a kind of karmic inertia that makes it difficult to change your trajectory. Your karma goes before you in the form of reputation and if people assume that you will act a certain way or carry out certain actions it is very difficult for you to convince them of a change.

Essentially your karmic load is an integral part of your identity. It is part of how you expect people to treat you and how you like or loathe to live up to people's expectations of you.



So essentially, yes, I believe in karma.

hopelessC

hopelessC

Greeneville, TN
June 2005

SEP 20, 2005 01:38 AM

oohh ... so everything happens for a reason, and that reason maybe karma?

CrazyWhiteGirl

CrazyWhiteGirl

Austin, TX
December 2004

SEP 20, 2005 01:43 AM

Karma is definitely real.

threejane

threejane

San Francisco, CA
November 2004

SEP 20, 2005 02:00 AM

I'm with "karmic load" guy.

Actually, I am. I just wanted to say "karmic load". The principle is sensible in those terms, though I've never been a big fan of the "what goes around, comes around" simplification. I think it is closer to the impersonal Hindu concept of karma, which seems more a matter of faith than a reasoned, humanistic explanation for things we observe in life.

fpkk

fpkk

United Kingdom
June 2003

SEP 20, 2005 03:32 AM

threejane said:
I'm with "karmic load" guy.

Actually, I am. I just wanted to say "karmic load". The principle is sensible in those terms, though I've never been a big fan of the "what goes around, comes around" simplification. I think it is closer to the impersonal Hindu concept of karma, which seems more a matter of faith than a reasoned, humanistic explanation for things we observe in life.



How sad is it I actually had to reread the thread to determine I *was* karmic load guy... tongue

ought

ought

USA
September 2004

SEP 20, 2005 05:40 AM

The Western version of karma that refers to some checks and balances system governed by some higher law so that the good are rewarded in some way? No, I don't believe in that so much.

The eastern origination of karma and the escape from samsara, whether it be through Buddhist or Hindu tradition? Sure, I'd like to think that being a decent person doesn't necessarily have to mean you get some balance for your decency in this life. Besides escape from samsara seems like a pretty sweet deal to me.


[Edited on Sep 20, 2005 by ought]

tech29

tech29

I'm lost
July 2004

SEP 20, 2005 06:27 AM

Karma is all relative i think some get there own back at them some dont.

Tadzi

Tadzi

Greeley, CO
April 2003

SEP 20, 2005 09:24 AM

PerfectTree said:
In my experiences, bad things happen to you whether or not you've wronged others, and your generosities are seldom rewarded.. But I try to ignore that and be a good person anyway.



i couldnt agree more

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

SEP 20, 2005 09:33 AM

No siree. It's just that everyone does good and bad things and that makes it super-easy to establish potential causes for your good and bad fortune (which we do because nobody wants to admit everything's random).