Since when do people have that much pride in their retail job anyway? Most people hate their jobs and the companies they work for.. feeling like they are overworked and underpaid as it is. Why should they care if someone got one over on their company. Why care if someone stole something? I think its the mentality of.. "I wouldn't get away with it.. so this person shouldn't be allowed to get away with it either."
Stealing is a crime, yes.. but hats why there are law enforcement agencies.
Tura_Satana said:
Since when do people have that much pride in their retail job anyway? Most people hate their jobs and the companies they work for.. feeling like they are overworked and underpaid as it is. Why should they care if someone got one over on their company. Why care if someone stole something? I think its the mentality of.. "I wouldn't get away with it.. so this person shouldn't be allowed to get away with it either."
Stealing is a crime, yes.. but hats why there are law enforcement agencies.
It's probably them trying to make their monotonous, poorly paying job seem more important, or exciting.
I always found that stealing cigarettes, and taking breaks I wasn't supposed to take, and watching inappropriate movies in the electronics department made working at k-mart suck less. . .
That being said, Austin is one of the best cities in the union and should be annexed by California.
[Edited on Aug 14, 2005 5:57PM]
No real need at this point; Austin has pretty much already had most of its soul sucked out and everything that was ever cool about it ruined by the massive influx of californians in the last 5-10 years anyway....
"About 30 people were saying, 'Let him up, it's too hot,'
I'm not sure which makes me more ill. That they killed some guy for shoplifting, or that 30 people stood by and watched it happen without lifting a finger. Really, really sad.
Or that somebody actually made the effort to drag a rug into the parking lot so he wouldn't have to lie skin-to-ashphalt, was told to get rid of it and acquiesced.
I help catch shoplifters at my store. If you see a crime you have a duty to use reasonable means to stop it. now common sense should tell you that blacktop is in fact hot. I'm surprised the peaple holding him down didn't get burned.
That said Most shoplifters who struggle will keep struggling rather then just peacefully wait for the police. And they always say they can't breathe, always.
I've seen a guy pretend to fall, and then get up and fall again. after the third fall we noticed he was inching towards the door so we grabbed him again.
So basically most of these shoplifters are assholes who want to use your compassion to escape. That makes it harder for the employees to be compassionate. We want them to just sit down and wait or just come to the office. And some do.
But I think in this case the employees may have been over eager in restaining the guy and so I think some charges should be filed But I don't think they serve jailtime cause I belive it was a accident.
I asked the Loss Prevention people at my store if they had heard about this. They had, and one of them told me that in the stores that have more than just compliant handcuff training, the "knee on the person's neck" move is used JUST until the cuffs are slapped on. "But you're not supposed to do it for half an hour!"
For the record, our LP folks are pretty sickened by all of this. I'm sure it's going to make it harder for them to do their jobs.
Wren said:
Hey, I wanted to share this with you guys.
I asked the Loss Prevention people at my store if they had heard about this. They had, and one of them told me that in the stores that have more than just compliant handcuff training, the "knee on the person's neck" move is used JUST until the cuffs are slapped on. "But you're not supposed to do it for half an hour!"
For the record, our LP folks are pretty sickened by all of this. I'm sure it's going to make it harder for them to do their jobs.
So Walmart employees are now allowed to handcuff and detain people? Or is that a separately hired security staff?
FreakPirate said:
So Walmart employees are now allowed to handcuff and detain people? Or is that a separately hired security staff?
Not regular employees. They're Loss Prevention, and they've been allowed to handcuff and detain people for YEARS. The only other people who are even allowed to consider stoppping shoplifters are salaried members of management - but I have yet to see that happen, and they certainly aren't allowed to use handcuffs. Loss Prevention does sometimes enlist the help of sales floor associates to stop shoplifters, but not often. Even those associates are not really allowed to touch the customers (although I've known sales floor associates who have been allowed to chase them).
As I said earlier, not all stores have handcuff trained their LP personnel. The last store I worked at had only recently done it, and even then, only in compliant handcuff techniques (meaning they weren't supposed to slap the cuffs on people, they had to wait for them to stand up, hold out their arms and put them on), although that might have changed by now. It probably depends on how stringent the Regional LP manager is in ensuring their training. Apart from the laziness factor, handcuff training costs money and Wal-Mart is notorious for it's...."frugality".
They're pretty easily identifiable. They usually wear jeans, tshirts and baseball hats, you can spot them using the phones, talking to associates or crouching behind counters, peering through at someone they think is shady. All of the LP folks I have worked with have always been awesome people who made me feel much safter at work. Clearly these guys were nutjobs.
I haven't been in a Walmart since I was seventeen when the wheelchair bound greeter lady shrieked at me and my friends for shoplifting. Even though we hadn't. We were going IN to the store at the time.
I've never heard of department stores having staff trained and legally allowed to handcuff people. I've certainly never seen it in practice. I hope Walmart takes a serious look at their policy after this and stops being so cheap and actually does proper training to prevent this from happening again.
Cyric said:
So basically most of these shoplifters are assholes who want to use your compassion to escape. That makes it harder for the employees to be compassionate.
There are several worlds of difference between "compassionate" and "not torturing someone to death." I get the point you're trying to make but it's completely irrelevant because it's clear they could've moved this guy or allowed him to lie on the rug.
FreakPirate said:
I hope Walmart takes a serious look at their policy after this and stops being so cheap and actually does proper training to prevent this from happening again.
Loss Prevention is properly trained - when I refer to cheapness it's in the stores where Loss Prevention is not handcuff trained at all. They aren't allowed to carry handcuffs if they aren't trained. Money would be better spent on psychological testing of these people before giving them the power to tackle the customers. It doesn't matter how good your training is if you're a nutcase.
It makes me sad that people can do something like this to each other
Is North American society that dehumanised? Roman empire part 2- bring on the bread and circusses.
Tura_Satana
Virginia Beach, VA
March 2004
AUG 15, 2005 08:12 PM