cthav said:
...things need dealt with on a per-park or even per-person basis. The places I am referring to are very very small parks, and have nothing going on like what you refer to. They have no history of any problems ever, at any time of the day. Which is why at least an allowance for an individual to sign a liability form and with stated reasons to be at the public park should be cool. Regardless of any issue, I will go to the next local board meeting and inquire about it.
It seems to me that signing liability forms and dealing person-to-person would change the entire dynamic of a park. For one thing, from there one may as well charge admission. For another, how easy would it be to sneak into the park through the gate or another way? Or would the gates have to be built higher and the metal barbed and electrified? Such an awful lot of changes just to make it okay to go to parks at night. There are parks and zoos that are open late, and you can enjoy the stars and fresh air even from your window. I think it's normally kind of unnecessary to be out at a park after midnight unless you're doing things that you wouldn't want the law to catch wind of anyway.
I'm sorry, but if you think there is nothing to do and nothing to enjoy in the woods at night but shooting heroin and raping people, then you have an incredibly conditioned sense of imagination. And if you don't want the law to catch wind of something you are doing, then you do it inside your home, not outside where the cops are aloud to legally bust in on your junky fest at anytime they want. And also, no there is no connection to electrified fences, barbed wire, and admission fees to making parks legal at night, none of those things have anything to do with it. I am not referring to theme parks, just groupings of trees that have been sanctioned off as public park land.
Me and my friends like to play music and enjoy being outside in the woods at night, and we don't rape anyone, do drugs, or harm anything or anyone in anyway. And staring out a window at pavement and a lone tree at the non-existent stars in the sky (light pollution in cities and most urban areas makes it so that you cannot see the stars), is not like sprawling on your back in on open field, with fresh air, and no highway noises, next to your friends staring at a sky with endless stars in sight.
Which is why things need dealt with on a per-park or even per-person basis. The places I am referring to are very very small parks, and have nothing going on like what you refer to. They have no history of any problems ever, at any time of the day. Which is why at least an allowance for an individual to sign a liability form and with stated reasons to be at the public park should be cool. Regardless of any issue, I will go to the next local board meeting and inquire about it.
The park in question was one square block, and had no history of problems before the whole cruising thing happened.
I suggest that you go talk to the cops down at the station, during the day, and see if you can speak directly with the officers who patrol that park. Explain what you're doing, tell them what you drive, and see if you can get them to understand you're not up to no good. This may well help get them off your back, especially if most of the tickets were given to your unattended car.
I agree, that is defenitely a good idea, thank you.
Thistle said:
The problem with the liability form idea, as I see it, is that part of the reason the parks are closed is the added expense of upkeep associated with staying open all night. This budget issue would make it difficult to have someone there to collect and review the wiavers.
Oh, I meant something akin to a hunting permit (not like a ticket to a theme park where someone would have to wait there and collect forms from everyone who decided to show up that night, which would be ridiculous). Instead, I meant something that would have to be approved before hand, perhaps by going down to a bereau building and filling out a form that has to be approved and that can be renewed every now and then.
Thistle said:
The problem with the liability form idea, as I see it, is that part of the reason the parks are closed is the added expense of upkeep associated with staying open all night. This budget issue would make it difficult to have someone there to collect and review the wiavers.
Oh, I meant something akin to a hunting permit (not like a ticket to a theme park where someone would have to wait there and collect forms from everyone who decided to show up that night, which would be ridiculous). Instead, I meant something that would have to be approved before hand, perhaps by going down to a bereau building and filling out a form that has to be approved and that can be renewed every now and then.
Hm. I guess that could work. So I take it you disapprove more of law abiding citizens being stopped and fined by cops than you do of restrictions on park access?
As someone who lives in a desert and thinks parks are bullocks, I don't really care that they're closed, even around here there's plenty of nature that isn't controlled by a municipality, I tend to like these places better.
Thistle said:
The problem with the liability form idea, as I see it, is that part of the reason the parks are closed is the added expense of upkeep associated with staying open all night. This budget issue would make it difficult to have someone there to collect and review the wiavers.
Oh, I meant something akin to a hunting permit (not like a ticket to a theme park where someone would have to wait there and collect forms from everyone who decided to show up that night, which would be ridiculous). Instead, I meant something that would have to be approved before hand, perhaps by going down to a bereau building and filling out a form that has to be approved and that can be renewed every now and then.
Hm. I guess that could work. So I take it you disapprove more of law abiding citizens being stopped and fined by cops than you do of restrictions on park access?
I am certainly not for rapists and killer ninjas attacking people in the night, and don't mind going through extra hassle to prove that my activities are legal and non-harmful in order to be aloud there, if that in turn creates a situation that is a win-win.
motherfucker said:
Thats weird, I've never been kicked out of a park at night. Graveyards... thats a different subject.
Have you tried school playgrounds?
As a restless youth with restless friends, we were regularly rousted out of the playgrounds by the coppers. And it's a damned shame, because the Coventry playground is delightful. Two-story tall slide, pirate ship, zip lines, all kinds of neat stuff made out of lumber and tires.
okay. so you're a peaceful kind of guy. you like trees. you like stars. you like crickets. we get that. but you know what? not everyone thinks like that. i'd say the majority of individuals who have a keen interest in being in the park after dark are participating in unlawful activities. to discourage unlawful activities, there are consequences for being some place you ought not to be, even if you think you ought to have a right to be there. bottom line: i'm gonna have to chalk this one up as another case of the assholes ruining it for the nice folks. sorry, that's how the world works.
IF you want to hang out in the park after dark just freaking DO IT. They're never gonna open the parks at nite...And if you MUST drive your car, then park farther away. If the po-po STILL come and bother you, just say "oh! i was on a walk and came into the park; is there a sign? there is? oh, it's DARK and I couldn't see it.
A few over here close at dusk, which I suppose measn they're trying to dissuade people like me from playing the frisbee golf course at night. Our scores would just be horrible and would bring down the regional average, and when the next big tournament comes around we'd get ranked really low.
I believe your tickets/fines etc were completely deserved. You knew they were closed at night yet chose to disobey them. Granted you feel and believe that you have every right to be there and thats fine but rules are rules.
I think you should do as a few people suggested and take it to the officials and see what you can do about it.
cthav
USA
August 2004
AUG 04, 2005 07:48 PM