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cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 05:31 AM

I could use some help in understanding this issue from other perspectives...

Throughout my lifetime I have gone through quite a lot of unpleasentries due to parks being "closed" at night. Countless times I have recieved expensive fines, so once I even parked outside of the park on the side of a road, and recieved a ticket for doing so. One time a park ranger held a gun to my head and screamed at us for being in the park after dark, and afterwards spent two hours with his other fellow park ranger poking through our two cars and our bags and searching for two hours while we waited in the cold, and after they found no drugs, let us go with 145 dollar tickets each. The last two nights I have got two tickets for being in a park after dark, with a notice on them that if they are not paid or payment mailed with payment in 48 hours, I will be arrested, so the subject is brought up once again.

The park that I am now referring to has no park rangers in it, just a few tennis courts, a volleyball court, a baseball field, and a path through the woods. So, my question to all of you is...

Why would the moon being in the sky instead of the sun be grounds for illegalization of dwelling within that public area?

I wish to understand what the practical reasons of this might be, so that I can either agree, or if I disagree, go to a local board meeting and push the issue. There is no reason for a human being to be fined, imprisoned, or harassed for wanting to walk amongst trees at night, record the sounds of crickets and birds, and stare at the stars in the night sky. Not that I could think of at least, but maybe somebody not coming from my perspective could help me understand?

Thank you in advance for any imput on this topic.

HyenaHell

hyenahell

I'm lost
April 2003

AUG 04, 2005 05:49 AM

cthav said:
There is no reason for a human being to be fined, imprisoned, or harassed for wanting to walk amongst trees at night, record the sounds of crickets and birds, and stare at the stars in the night sky. Not that I could think of at least, but maybe somebody not coming from my perspective could help me understand?



except that's not the reason most people go to parks at night. they close to discourage criminal activity and vagrancy. simple as that.

AndersWolleck

AndersWolleck

Astoria, NY
February 2003

AUG 04, 2005 05:54 AM

even parks that close at are still covered by drug paraphenalia and broken bottles both which could hurt people. imagine how hard it would be to clean that up if they were open at nite.

Lior

Lior

United Kingdom
August 2005

AUG 04, 2005 05:54 AM

It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...

mypoisonlips

mypoisonlips

Washington, DC
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 06:38 AM

parks/playgrounds are joyous happy places for younglings during light hours, but they usually degrade into a haven for drug addicts/illegal activites. Dont want anyone doing drugs now do you wink

mypoisonlips

mypoisonlips

Washington, DC
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 06:39 AM

parks/playgrounds are joyous happy places for younglings during light hours, but they usually degrade into a haven for drug addicts/illegal activites. Dont want anyone doing drugs now do you wink

mypoisonlips

mypoisonlips

Washington, DC
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 06:39 AM

parks/playgrounds are joyous happy places for younglings during light hours, but they usually degrade into a haven for drug addicts/illegal activites. Dont want anyone doing drugs now do you wink

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

AUG 04, 2005 06:52 AM

Learn to walk in silence, wear gray clothing, and stop getting caught.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

AUG 04, 2005 09:48 AM

Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...



Why sue for thousands, when we could sue for.....hundreds?

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 02:51 PM

Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...



Your home isn't safe, you could trip on something and fall down the stairs. The sidewalks aren't safe, you could get hit by a drunk driver, and mugged. We should make all oif them illegal. You cannot by any means sue for getting injured on public land.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

AUG 04, 2005 02:53 PM

cthav said:

Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...



Your home isn't safe, you could trip on something and fall down the stairs. The sidewalks aren't safe, you could get hit by a drunk driver, and mugged. We should make all oif them illegal. You cannot by any means sue for getting injured on public land.



Yes you can.

Also, drunk driving and mugging are illegal.

[Edited on Aug 04, 2005 by Thistle]

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 02:53 PM

AndersWolleck said:
even parks that close at are still covered by drug paraphenalia and broken bottles both which could hurt people. imagine how hard it would be to clean that up if they were open at nite.



This park has no drug paraphenelia in it, and never has. The only drug use on the land are occasional teenagers smoking pot. Any land can have broken bottles on it. The only place I see broken bottles or on the sidewalk next to bars.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

AUG 04, 2005 02:55 PM

Why do people make question-answer threads like this and then argue with whoever answers, like that will change something.

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

AUG 04, 2005 02:56 PM

How can you close the outside? that makes no goddamn sense at all! surreal

Parks don't close in this country.

emptymouthpiece

emptymouthpiece

I'm lost
May 2005

AUG 04, 2005 03:01 PM

James_ said:
How can you close the outside? that makes no goddamn sense at all! surreal

Parks don't close in this country.



That's because my friend you are in at least something that still "closely" resembles a country of sense. We lost that a long time ago.

-C-

marquisdivin

marquisdivin

Berkeley, CA
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 03:11 PM

i'd guess it has something to do with interdicting guys cruising for gay sex.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

AUG 04, 2005 03:11 PM

Thistle said:
Why do people make question-answer threads like this and then argue with whoever answers, like that will change something.



You know why. It has to do with a little something I like to call, dipshitness.

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:05 PM

Frank said:
Learn to walk in silence, wear gray clothing, and stop getting caught. [/QUOTEI have never ever ever every been caught in the woods. I have lived in this area for 24 years, and know every inch of any woods around. It is the car that gets caught. And I can't do anything about that. I can't walk 5 miles to the woods and then walk 15 miles back carrying heavy sound equipment, or every time I just feel like taking a walk.

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:08 PM

HyenaHell said:

cthav said:
There is no reason for a human being to be fined, imprisoned, or harassed for wanting to walk amongst trees at night, record the sounds of crickets and birds, and stare at the stars in the night sky. Not that I could think of at least, but maybe somebody not coming from my perspective could help me understand?



except that's not the reason most people go to parks at night. they close to discourage criminal activity and vagrancy. simple as that.



Criminals don't steal trees, or assinate birds in the night; they rob banks, and shoot people on the streets and in their homes. Drugees do drugs anywhere and everywhere. The only drug users that specifically tend to choose wooded areas are not heroin addicts or crackhead, they are users of psychadellics and marijuana, hardly dangers to society.

Rottenwood

Rottenwood

West Hartford, CT
July 2005

AUG 04, 2005 04:09 PM

I've been thrown out of a few parks in my day, when my friends and I were simply sitting on the swings and waxing nostalgic. It pissed us off, but since parks tend to be used for underaged drinking and vandalism 98% of the time after dark, we couldn't really argue.

If people don't want stupid laws, they need to stop doing stupid things. As my Mom says: "this is why we can't have nice things!!!"

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:09 PM

FridgeMagnet said:

Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...



Why sue for thousands, when we could sue for.....hundreds?



genius!

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:15 PM

Rottenwood said:
I've been thrown out of a few parks in my day, when my friends and I were simply sitting on the swings and waxing nostalgic. It pissed us off, but since parks tend to be used for underaged drinking and vandalism 98% of the time after dark, we couldn't really argue.

If people don't want stupid laws, they need to stop doing stupid things. As my Mom says: "this is why we can't have nice things!!!"



You can't law things out of existence, in fact, usually the opposite occurs. Look at the drug rates dropping in countries where legalization came into play, much lower than the places where it remained legal. If someone wants to vandalize a place, they are obviously not interested in "legal" and "not legal" or even "common sense", they are juvenile, and will go into any area, private or public and vandalize away. Making it illegal to be in a park after dark would not stop vandals. Underage drinkers fall into the same pattern.

cthav

cthav

USA
August 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:16 PM

And by the way - thank you for all of the replies so far. I need all the perspetives I can get.

Rottenwood

Rottenwood

West Hartford, CT
July 2005

AUG 04, 2005 04:22 PM

cthav said:

Rottenwood said:
I've been thrown out of a few parks in my day, when my friends and I were simply sitting on the swings and waxing nostalgic. It pissed us off, but since parks tend to be used for underaged drinking and vandalism 98% of the time after dark, we couldn't really argue.

If people don't want stupid laws, they need to stop doing stupid things. As my Mom says: "this is why we can't have nice things!!!"



You can't law things out of existence, in fact, usually the opposite occurs. Look at the drug rates dropping in countries where legalization came into play, much lower than the places where it remained legal. If someone wants to vandalize a place, they are obviously not interested in "legal" and "not legal" or even "common sense", they are juvenile, and will go into any area, private or public and vandalize away. Making it illegal to be in a park after dark would not stop vandals. Underage drinkers fall into the same pattern.



Yes, but the laws cause the police to come to the area and round up the hoodlums, where as if there were no laws, playgrounds would be uprooted and covered in vomit on a nightly basis. Laws don't make kids stop drinking in public, but Officer Bob and his tazer do a darn fine job at it. I understand your point, but the town just wants clean parks and playgrounds. They're not interested in curing the root of the problem.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:28 PM

Conversely, why should you be allowed into parks at night?

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