I could use some help in understanding this issue from other perspectives...
Throughout my lifetime I have gone through quite a lot of unpleasentries due to parks being "closed" at night. Countless times I have recieved expensive fines, so once I even parked outside of the park on the side of a road, and recieved a ticket for doing so. One time a park ranger held a gun to my head and screamed at us for being in the park after dark, and afterwards spent two hours with his other fellow park ranger poking through our two cars and our bags and searching for two hours while we waited in the cold, and after they found no drugs, let us go with 145 dollar tickets each. The last two nights I have got two tickets for being in a park after dark, with a notice on them that if they are not paid or payment mailed with payment in 48 hours, I will be arrested, so the subject is brought up once again.
The park that I am now referring to has no park rangers in it, just a few tennis courts, a volleyball court, a baseball field, and a path through the woods. So, my question to all of you is...
Why would the moon being in the sky instead of the sun be grounds for illegalization of dwelling within that public area?
I wish to understand what the practical reasons of this might be, so that I can either agree, or if I disagree, go to a local board meeting and push the issue. There is no reason for a human being to be fined, imprisoned, or harassed for wanting to walk amongst trees at night, record the sounds of crickets and birds, and stare at the stars in the night sky. Not that I could think of at least, but maybe somebody not coming from my perspective could help me understand?
cthav said:
There is no reason for a human being to be fined, imprisoned, or harassed for wanting to walk amongst trees at night, record the sounds of crickets and birds, and stare at the stars in the night sky. Not that I could think of at least, but maybe somebody not coming from my perspective could help me understand?
except that's not the reason most people go to parks at night. they close to discourage criminal activity and vagrancy. simple as that.
even parks that close at are still covered by drug paraphenalia and broken bottles both which could hurt people. imagine how hard it would be to clean that up if they were open at nite.
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...
parks/playgrounds are joyous happy places for younglings during light hours, but they usually degrade into a haven for drug addicts/illegal activites. Dont want anyone doing drugs now do you
parks/playgrounds are joyous happy places for younglings during light hours, but they usually degrade into a haven for drug addicts/illegal activites. Dont want anyone doing drugs now do you
parks/playgrounds are joyous happy places for younglings during light hours, but they usually degrade into a haven for drug addicts/illegal activites. Dont want anyone doing drugs now do you
Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...
Why sue for thousands, when we could sue for.....hundreds?
Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...
Your home isn't safe, you could trip on something and fall down the stairs. The sidewalks aren't safe, you could get hit by a drunk driver, and mugged. We should make all oif them illegal. You cannot by any means sue for getting injured on public land.
Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...
Your home isn't safe, you could trip on something and fall down the stairs. The sidewalks aren't safe, you could get hit by a drunk driver, and mugged. We should make all oif them illegal. You cannot by any means sue for getting injured on public land.
AndersWolleck said:
even parks that close at are still covered by drug paraphenalia and broken bottles both which could hurt people. imagine how hard it would be to clean that up if they were open at nite.
This park has no drug paraphenelia in it, and never has. The only drug use on the land are occasional teenagers smoking pot. Any land can have broken bottles on it. The only place I see broken bottles or on the sidewalk next to bars.
Frank said:
Learn to walk in silence, wear gray clothing, and stop getting caught. [/QUOTEI have never ever ever every been caught in the woods. I have lived in this area for 24 years, and know every inch of any woods around. It is the car that gets caught. And I can't do anything about that. I can't walk 5 miles to the woods and then walk 15 miles back carrying heavy sound equipment, or every time I just feel like taking a walk.
cthav said:
There is no reason for a human being to be fined, imprisoned, or harassed for wanting to walk amongst trees at night, record the sounds of crickets and birds, and stare at the stars in the night sky. Not that I could think of at least, but maybe somebody not coming from my perspective could help me understand?
except that's not the reason most people go to parks at night. they close to discourage criminal activity and vagrancy. simple as that.
Criminals don't steal trees, or assinate birds in the night; they rob banks, and shoot people on the streets and in their homes. Drugees do drugs anywhere and everywhere. The only drug users that specifically tend to choose wooded areas are not heroin addicts or crackhead, they are users of psychadellics and marijuana, hardly dangers to society.
I've been thrown out of a few parks in my day, when my friends and I were simply sitting on the swings and waxing nostalgic. It pissed us off, but since parks tend to be used for underaged drinking and vandalism 98% of the time after dark, we couldn't really argue.
If people don't want stupid laws, they need to stop doing stupid things. As my Mom says: "this is why we can't have nice things!!!"
Lior said:
It also a saftey thing.
Parks just arent safe after dark, someone could trip on a tree root, break their wrist and sue for thousands. That or be attacked...
Why sue for thousands, when we could sue for.....hundreds?
Rottenwood said:
I've been thrown out of a few parks in my day, when my friends and I were simply sitting on the swings and waxing nostalgic. It pissed us off, but since parks tend to be used for underaged drinking and vandalism 98% of the time after dark, we couldn't really argue.
If people don't want stupid laws, they need to stop doing stupid things. As my Mom says: "this is why we can't have nice things!!!"
You can't law things out of existence, in fact, usually the opposite occurs. Look at the drug rates dropping in countries where legalization came into play, much lower than the places where it remained legal. If someone wants to vandalize a place, they are obviously not interested in "legal" and "not legal" or even "common sense", they are juvenile, and will go into any area, private or public and vandalize away. Making it illegal to be in a park after dark would not stop vandals. Underage drinkers fall into the same pattern.
Rottenwood said:
I've been thrown out of a few parks in my day, when my friends and I were simply sitting on the swings and waxing nostalgic. It pissed us off, but since parks tend to be used for underaged drinking and vandalism 98% of the time after dark, we couldn't really argue.
If people don't want stupid laws, they need to stop doing stupid things. As my Mom says: "this is why we can't have nice things!!!"
You can't law things out of existence, in fact, usually the opposite occurs. Look at the drug rates dropping in countries where legalization came into play, much lower than the places where it remained legal. If someone wants to vandalize a place, they are obviously not interested in "legal" and "not legal" or even "common sense", they are juvenile, and will go into any area, private or public and vandalize away. Making it illegal to be in a park after dark would not stop vandals. Underage drinkers fall into the same pattern.
Yes, but the laws cause the police to come to the area and round up the hoodlums, where as if there were no laws, playgrounds would be uprooted and covered in vomit on a nightly basis. Laws don't make kids stop drinking in public, but Officer Bob and his tazer do a darn fine job at it. I understand your point, but the town just wants clean parks and playgrounds. They're not interested in curing the root of the problem.
cthav
USA
August 2004
AUG 04, 2005 05:31 AM