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photomares

photomares

Albuquerque, NM
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 04:15 AM


Have you ever noticed in your life how you are guided to people and situations that change your life forever. Is it fate that determines your future or do we have control on where we go? Are our choices we make everyday our choice or determined by fate. The people you've met in your past often determines where you work, where you live etc. They say things happen for a reason, do they really?

Idjit

Idjit

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

AUG 04, 2005 04:22 AM

No.

Chons

Chons

Germany
January 2005

AUG 04, 2005 04:45 AM

there is no fate. there is no reason. fortuities just seem to be fate, because they change your life.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

AUG 04, 2005 04:50 AM

No. Didn't you see Terminator 2? Geez. tongue

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

AUG 04, 2005 04:53 AM

A man's character is his fate.
-Heraclitus


Truer words have never been said.

Tadzi

Tadzi

Greeley, CO
April 2003

AUG 04, 2005 05:23 AM

shit happens.

once upon a time... back in 99, i was hanging out at my community college and i met these two girls. best friends. i was hanging out with them and they gave me their number. as in they had an apartment together and they wanted me to hang out, and yes, in that way. so needless to say, i was feeling pretty good about myself. so, hoping to run into them again, i called out of work the next night and was hanging out at the school again. it was then that i met my former fiance. we clicked immediately (and i never called those girls) and while this is a very romantic notion, it is NOT fate. its true that had i not run into those girls, i would not have been there and met my ex fiance the next night, but that doesnt make it a divine action. its just a coincidence that was favorable to me.

MetaTag

MetaTag

United Kingdom
September 2002

AUG 04, 2005 05:30 AM

Synchronicity is real!

Onibubba

Onibubba

Hopkinsville, KY
October 2004

AUG 04, 2005 05:31 AM

stockula said:
A man's character is his fate.
-Heraclitus


Truer words have never been said.




"He has a wife you know..."

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 05:31 AM

exist? no...does virtue exist? no. Do any abstract ideas man has come up with to explain something that goes against natural laws and logic actually exist? no, not in a material sense. Not in a sense that allows you to perceive it in such a way that you could manipulate it like clay. Sure, in an esoteric wacky sense it exists in man's mind, but that doesn't make it exist any more than it makes trolls, fairies and demons exist (which are really all the personifications of abstract concepts anyway, just like three women being perceived as the fates.)

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 05:32 AM

Onibubba said:

stockula said:
A man's character is his fate.
-Heraclitus


Truer words have never been said.




"He has a wife you know..."



confused eeek tongue love skull

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 04, 2005 09:05 AM

No. Fate exists only in the minds of those people who don't want to be responsible for their own lives, IMHO.

photomares

photomares

Albuquerque, NM
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 09:10 AM

Morgan said:
No. Fate exists only in the minds of those people who don't want to be responsible for their own lives, IMHO.




best answer yet wink

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 10:01 AM

alpha_hazard said:
exist? no...does virtue exist? no. Do any abstract ideas man has come up with to explain something that goes against natural laws and logic actually exist? no, not in a material sense. Not in a sense that allows you to perceive it in such a way that you could manipulate it like clay. Sure, in an esoteric wacky sense it exists in man's mind, but that doesn't make it exist any more than it makes trolls, fairies and demons exist (which are really all the personifications of abstract concepts anyway, just like three women being perceived as the fates.)




blackeyed replying to myself to add: The real question is not, "Does ______ Exist?" but "Do you Believe in ______?"

for no apparent reason other than I feel clever for thinking of it, even though it's isn't all that clever a thought.

[Edited on Aug 04, 2005 by alpha_hazard]

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

AUG 04, 2005 10:09 AM

Life is probability. That is all.

V2PointOhh

V2PointOhh

Hoboken, NJ
May 2005

AUG 04, 2005 10:10 AM

No. Because I'm in control of everything I do in my life.

Everything I do has not been pre-ordained

mngddss

mngddss

Pittsburgh, PA
December 2004

AUG 04, 2005 10:25 AM

V2PointOh said:
No. Because I'm in control of everything I do in my life.

Everything I do has not been pre-ordained



Exactly.

How bad would it suck to know that every single decision you make every day is pointless and that you will still end up in the exact place ten years down the road no matter which choices you make.

Keith

Keith

Hooker, OK
August 2002

AUG 04, 2005 10:28 AM

No. It only seems that there is sometimes because we only take note of improbable coincidences, but we don't notice all the millions of times there weren't. For example, everyone remembers the times they picked up the phone to call a friend at the precise moment the friend was phoning them, but they don't remember the thousands of times that didn't happen.

ninetysevencents

ninetysevencents

Rochester, NY
August 2003

AUG 04, 2005 10:44 AM

TheBastard said:
No. Didn't you see Terminator 2? Geez. tongue



No fate but what we make.

TheSinner

TheSinner

Seattle, WA
October 2004

AUG 04, 2005 10:50 AM

ninetysevencents said:

TheBastard said:
No. Didn't you see Terminator 2? Geez. tongue



No fate but what we make.



I agree that there is not fate. some of the most important things that have happened to me have only happened because of one little decision that was minor at the time but led to bigger things. It's weird to think about if I make a different decision where I would be.

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 11:03 AM

it's just lke luck...you make your own luck as well as deciding yer own fate ...coincidences ? yes...fate?..no

ninetysevencents

ninetysevencents

Rochester, NY
August 2003

AUG 04, 2005 11:03 AM

CircusFreak said:

ninetysevencents said:

TheBastard said:
No. Didn't you see Terminator 2? Geez. tongue


No fate but what we make.


I agree that there is not fate. some of the most important things that have happened to me have only happened because of one little decision that was minor at the time but led to bigger things. It's weird to think about if I make a different decision where I would be.


don't you think it's more than just that one decision though? It may have lead to other things, but each of those events came with a decision of their own, which you made one way or the other.

So, yeah, I think a small moment may snowball. But I think it's because we choose to push it further, not because it's running wildly away from us.

Destro

Destro

Washington, PA
OLD SKOOL

AUG 04, 2005 11:05 AM

mngddss said:

V2PointOh said:
No. Because I'm in control of everything I do in my life.

Everything I do has not been pre-ordained



Exactly.

How bad would it suck to know that every single decision you make every day is pointless and that you will still end up in the exact place ten years down the road no matter which choices you make.



how do you know that it wasn't "fate" that caused you to make the decisions that you made, that ended you where you are? uh? explain THAT one!! biggrin

AndersWolleck

AndersWolleck

Astoria, NY
February 2003

AUG 04, 2005 11:06 AM

i predict not

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 11:11 AM

It's interesting..
I think a belief in "fate" entails a belief in metaphysics.
Many people who reject fate reject it out of a lack of belief in metaphysics.
Many of these people instead claim belief in "free will."
It's my opinion that if free will exists , then it proves that metaphysical beings exist.

I'll explain why by copying my statement on the subject of the soul from the Philosophy group:

I think I have a soul on the grounds that I have faith in the idea of "free will" as well as faith in the idea of the world adhering to normally immutable natural laws.

The universe appears to me to be controlled by causality, in which the positions and vectors of all matter determine their subsequent positions and vectors.

But I also believe in "free will", in which I could choose to do or not to do something at any given moment.

It appears to me that those two beliefs are irreconcilable. How could I choose if all of my actions are simply deteremined by laws of physics, chemistry, thermodynamics, etc.? So the only answer I could come up with is a metaphysical being, one which exists beyond natural laws. "Soul" seems like the most apt description of it.



Now I'm a mere amateur in this kind of game, so be gentle.

ApostropheNow

ApostropheNow

Skull Valley, AZ
April 2004

AUG 04, 2005 11:25 AM

Everyone seems to be saying "no", so I'll play devil's advocate and say "yes".

In the realm of nature, fate is real enough. But animals don't dwell on "what ifs", they act on instinct. And so they don't recognize fate, even as they're being squashed by a car or blown away by Ted Nugent or eaten by a coyote.

Most humans think they're above nature, therefore fate doesn't apply to them.

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