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PatrickY

Vancouver, WA

December 2003

JUN 16, 2005 10:23 AM

Moirae said:
Yeah.. it looks like Good Charlottes really down with the Riot Grrls...

Fucking asshats..

incriminating evidence courtesy of alyk

This only strengthens my theory that his "tattoos" are really just scented marker pictures, and glued on Shrinky Dinks.

BeckaDarling

Chicago, IL

October 2002

JUN 16, 2005 10:27 AM

DrStinkypants said:

Keith said:

DrStinkypants said:

Keith said:

leiraXariel said:

KMFCM said:

oh man. . . .I didn't know about the Good Charlotte thing

. .that's really funny

Yeah, if by "really funny" you mean "insanely stupid." :p

Also "an insult and absolute mockery of all that 'riot grrl', and, by extension, punk rock, ever meant."

riot grrl was a fad, comparing it to punk rock is a bit much

By the same criteria by which you just judged 'riot grrl', punk was a "fad" too.

yea but punk wasnt lame.
and more importantly, punk had a huge impact on almost all music that came afterwards

and where would good charlotte be without riot grrl? what a sorry downward spiral of good taste!

anonymouse

Miami Beach, FL

OLD SKOOL

JUN 16, 2005 10:30 AM

I remember seeing a sign with the word "ROIT" on it. Sadly, I think the sign was a hand-out, because I saw it at other tapings of WOW (that's Women of Wrestling, not to be confused with the related and also defunct GLOW, or Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling).

[Edited on Jun 16, 2005 by anonymouse]

Dan76

Seattle, WA

February 2004

JUN 16, 2005 10:54 AM

Fuck I miss Bikini Kill.

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA

July 2002

JUN 16, 2005 11:36 AM

PointBlank said:

HyenaHell said:

desidia said:
Prime examples are Bikini Kill, Sleater Kenney, Le Tigre, stuff like that?

Huggy Bear, Heavens to Betsy, Excuse 17, Team Dresch?

I was obsessed with the stuff as a teenager, and now I can't stand most of it. What happened?

yeah. i feel you. i still like Bikini Kill and Team Dresch. in small doses, of course.

Music was the medium, but not the message.

But, at least in execution, the music was somewhat less confused than the message.

PointBlank

New York, NY

November 2004

JUN 16, 2005 11:56 AM

PointBlank said:

HyenaHell said:

desidia said:
Prime examples are Bikini Kill, Sleater Kenney, Le Tigre, stuff like that?

Huggy Bear, Heavens to Betsy, Excuse 17, Team Dresch?

I was obsessed with the stuff as a teenager, and now I can't stand most of it. What happened?

yeah. i feel you. i still like Bikini Kill and Team Dresch. in small doses, of course.

Music was the medium, but not the message.

But, at least in execution, the music was somewhat less confused than the message.

True.

It's also important to remember when this "movement" took place. At the time, grunge had just broke (and it's hard to remember now just how big and transforming that was), and the big media companies were looking anywhere for the "next big thing" and decided that "riot grrl" was going to be it, despite the fact that neither the music nor the message were anything but embryonic. By pinning all the hype on it, the movement was killed (whether or not it had any staying power in the first place is another matter).

DrStinkypants

Saint Paul, MN

October 2002

JUN 16, 2005 12:57 PM

PointBlank said:
...(whether or not it had any staying power in the first place is another matter).

no, it was lame, unoriginal, and had no reason to exist in the first place.

sakita

Sweden

February 2003

JUN 16, 2005 01:00 PM

DrStinkypants said:
haha that good charlotte thing is hilarious.
i hope kathleen hannah is rolling over in her grave

That would imply that she is dead, Kathleen is alive and well and playing in Denmark.

jets_to_japan

I'm lost

September 2004

JUN 16, 2005 01:08 PM

Moirae said:
Yeah.. it looks like Good Charlottes really down with the Riot Grrls...

Fucking asshats..

incriminating evidence courtesy of alyk

That last picture is really cute.

What?! Hilary Duff is adorable.

The Le Tigre/Pais Hilton thing isn't true, right? It would be pretty funny if she started calling herself a riot grrrl.

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA

July 2002

JUN 16, 2005 01:09 PM

PointBlank said:
It's also important to remember when this "movement" took place. At the time, grunge had just broke (and it's hard to remember now just how big and transforming that was), and the big media companies were looking anywhere for the "next big thing" and decided that "riot grrl" was going to be it, despite the fact that neither the music nor the message were anything but embryonic. By pinning all the hype on it, the movement was killed (whether or not it had any staying power in the first place is another matter).

I agree that the Newsweek, Time, Sassy (what the fuck happened, Jane?), etc. coverage completely diluted it into irrelevancy, but I also think that they sort of ghettoized themselves by playing ring around the rosie to an ajbect careerist punk rocker. I mean, what sort of punk rock movement can you have when somebody like Jessica Hopper feels the need to "quit" and Kathleen Hanna actually calls for a press moratorium? Something very authoritarian developed in the riot grrl community that made me uncomfortable with it, but I was also too young to really be aware of everything that was going on.

desidia

Reunion

September 2002

JUN 16, 2005 01:10 PM

ooh, I do still kinda like Huggy Bear, forgot about them, I think I have maybe two or three mp3's buried in the library somewhere...

DrStinkypants

Saint Paul, MN

October 2002

JUN 16, 2005 01:12 PM

sakita said:

DrStinkypants said:
haha that good charlotte thing is hilarious.
i hope kathleen hannah is rolling over in her grave

That would imply that she is dead, Kathleen is alive and well and playing in Denmark.

...
there is no god

PointBlank

New York, NY

November 2004

JUN 16, 2005 01:14 PM

PointBlank said:
It's also important to remember when this "movement" took place. At the time, grunge had just broke (and it's hard to remember now just how big and transforming that was), and the big media companies were looking anywhere for the "next big thing" and decided that "riot grrl" was going to be it, despite the fact that neither the music nor the message were anything but embryonic. By pinning all the hype on it, the movement was killed (whether or not it had any staying power in the first place is another matter).

I agree that the Newsweek, Time, Sassy (what the fuck happened, Jane?), etc. coverage completely diluted it into irrelevancy, but I also think that they sort of ghettoized themselves by playing ring around the rosie to an ajbect careerist punk rocker. I mean, what sort of punk rock movement can you have when somebody like Jessica Hopper feels the need to "quit" and Kathleen Hanna actually calls for a press moratorium? Something very authoritarian developed in the riot grrl community that made me uncomfortable with it, but I was also too young to really be aware of everything that was going on.

Yeah, but imagine if the young Ian McKaye had the press hounding him about "straight-edge" during Minor Threat's infancy. Riot Grrl always seemed like the flip side to that authoritarian coin.

KMFCM

Peekskill, NY

September 2002

JUN 16, 2005 01:26 PM

oh. . . .I thought that other girl in the Benji pic was Soleil Moon Frye. . .

(is it?)

Al

SUICIDEGIRL

Christmas Island

JUN 16, 2005 02:34 PM

How old are you, and how did you miss the riot grrl thing?

Estrada

University Place, WA

OLD SKOOL

JUN 22, 2005 12:50 AM

anonymouse said:

I remember seeing a sign with the word "ROIT" on it. Sadly, I think the sign was a hand-out, because I saw it at other tapings of WOW (that's Women of Wrestling, not to be confused with the related and also defunct GLOW, or Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling).

[Edited on Jun 16, 2005 by anonymouse]

WOW was hilarious fun. I miss GLOW.

cadyne

Laurel, MD

May 2005

JUN 22, 2005 07:43 AM

I miss the riot grrl 'zine scene.. I had a zine, it was so much fun.

lioness4

Rock Island, IL

May 2005

JUN 22, 2005 08:08 AM

squidbizkit said:
zines were blogs before al gore brought the internet to the masses.

this thread is making me feel real old.

i miss my pet dinosaur.

I am with you completely! i remember when my pet dinosaur used to knock me down when i came home from work, then stand on my chest and lick me.

[Edited on Jun 22, 2005 by lioness4]

Idjit

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

JUN 22, 2005 08:46 AM

Hepburn said:
L7 was totally sweet.

I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're joking here.

Eddie

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JUN 22, 2005 08:55 AM

God I hate Good Charlotte. Especially after hearing this. Damn them, why do they have to be such posers...

and oh gosh I have such a crush on Kathleen Hannah

Eddie

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

JUN 22, 2005 09:06 AM

DrStinkypants said:

Keith said:

DrStinkypants said:

Keith said:

Also "an insult and absolute mockery of all that 'riot grrl', and, by extension, punk rock, ever meant."

riot grrl was a fad, comparing it to punk rock is a bit much

By the same criteria by which you just judged 'riot grrl', punk was a "fad" too.

yea but punk wasnt lame.
and more importantly, punk had a huge impact on almost all music that came afterwards

Keith, I am glad you said what you did... it made me happy to hear you defending this.
and it made me sad to hear hear Riot Grrl being called lame. But I think lots of things are lame. Like Good Charlotte. So people would be sad to hear that I am sure. But still, I have much fondness for Riot Grrl, and of course everything that comes with it. It is true I am a feminist at heart.

nonbillable

Brooklyn, NY

September 2004

JUN 22, 2005 10:52 AM

desidia said:
Prime examples are Bikini Kill, Sleater Kenney, Le Tigre, stuff like that?

Huggy Bear, Heavens to Betsy, Excuse 17, Team Dresch?

I was obsessed with the stuff as a teenager, and now I can't stand most of it. What happened?

I'm with you there. I used to love this stuff but it's a little hard (and by that I mostly mean boring) to listen to now. But I think it might just be that weird cyclical thing that seems to happen to a lot of music--it sounds dated and boring now, but in 5-10 years or so it'll be ripe for rediscovery (or, in DrStinkypants's case, for oddly venomous backlash).

[Edited on Jun 22, 2005 by nonbillable]

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