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dirtyground

dirtyground

Chicago, IL
August 2003

MAY 27, 2005 03:00 AM

i just sat through the whole fucking thing and unless someone explains this fucking movie i am going to hate it. and i dont want to hate it.

'cause i really liked it up until the last half an hour where i got completely lost. the blue cube? weird guy behind Winkies? something about split personalities between Bettie and Camilla and Rita?

please, someone, anyone... explain it.

EmilyRocks

emilyrocks

Sacramento, CA
May 2004

MAY 27, 2005 03:04 AM

yeah i didn't get it either. nor did i like it much. oh well.

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

MAY 27, 2005 03:08 AM

Pre-sucidal wet dream.

If you can't appreciate a tiny elderly couple walking out of a paper bag then I can't help you.

dubdlx

dubdlx

I'm lost
March 2004

MAY 27, 2005 03:13 AM

This might be helpful. I suggest you give it another try and watch it again (If you think you can stand it) . I think MD is a nice movie but way overrated.

Jack_Straw

Jack_Straw

Fairbanks, AK
December 2004

MAY 27, 2005 03:14 AM

ever seen any other david lynch? try eraserhead, that makes mulholland look like a teen comedy. You just have to accept it for what it is. I recommend watching it again.

dirtyground

dirtyground

Chicago, IL
August 2003

MAY 27, 2005 03:25 AM

Jack_Straw said:
ever seen any other david lynch? try eraserhead, that makes mulholland look like a teen comedy. You just have to accept it for what it is. I recommend watching it again.



i watched it when i had my wisdom teeth out and i was hopped up on Codine. man. that was a fun night.

dirtyground

dirtyground

Chicago, IL
August 2003

MAY 27, 2005 03:25 AM

Jeff_Fries said:
Pre-sucidal wet dream.

If you can't appreciate a tiny elderly couple walking out of a paper bag then I can't help you.



oh i appreciated them, alright!

dirtyground

dirtyground

Chicago, IL
August 2003

MAY 27, 2005 03:30 AM

dubdlx said:
This might be helpful. I suggest you give it another try and watch it again (If you think you can stand it) . I think MD is a nice movie but way overrated.



ding ding ding! ok! NOW it makes more sense. especially this part



Firstly the representations of the Tramp and the Club Silencio challenge the viewer’s perceptions of any rational theory in that they both exist outside the dream state and represented within a separate time frame that has no relationship with the flashbacks or the reality segment. This would suggest that imaginary representations form some kind of connection to the psyche of Diane while within her dream state, allowing her conscious mind within reality to create awareness that she is indeed involved within a fantasy world that she has created as a form of self denial.



THANK YOU so much. now i understand that fucking movie and i can sleep tonight and wake up tommorow and go HAHAHAAHAHA i get the movie.

Helly

Helly

Australia
December 2004

MAY 27, 2005 04:43 AM

I would check out some of David Lynch's other stuff then watch it again smile

Spaceboy

Spaceboy

Dallas, TX
October 2004

MAY 27, 2005 05:29 AM

I avoid David Lynch. Every once and a while I start thinking about how he's supposed to be a great filmmaker and I go rent one of his movies. then I just get totally pissed (angry, not drunk. although drunk might help) watching it and vow never to watch another lynch movie again.

Onibubba

Onibubba

Hopkinsville, KY
October 2004

MAY 27, 2005 05:56 AM

I was going through this same thing a few months ago. This was my take, but it is a rambling journal entrey that makes little sense...Sorry. I plan on seeing this again very soon...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Another night, another movie. Recently, I've been trying to figure out Mullholland Drive. The last time I saw this movie was a couple of years ago. I remember liking the look, but feeling thoroughly confused.

Last night I decided to give it another chance. This time, with a little help from other movie fans, I think I got it...Most of it. This is my take on the gist of the film. I still have some questions, most in the final third, but that's ok. I know I will have fun trying to figure them out. So glad I gave this movie another shot! Is a new favorite!

It goes without saying, but spoilers follow as I am dissecting the plot.

Film opens with a dream of a dance competition (Jitterbug?) The pretty blonde girl, Diane / Betty seems to be the winner. She is surrounded by 2 presumed family members, an old man and old woman.

The dreamer seems to wake up suddenly, jarringly, and then go back to sleep. You never see her, just her falling back on the pillow. Now the major portion of the movie, the fantasy, starts. We follow a limo taking a beautiful young woman, Rita / Camilla, to her destination, Mullholland Drive. They stop abruptly and she is told at gunpoint to get out. Before she can be shot, 2 cars of drag racing kids hit them and she is saved from the assassination. She stumbles into a residential area and hides in the home of a character called "Aunt Ruth."

Ruth is leaving on business (she is an actress) and her niece Betty is coming to stay. When the gorgeous young ingénue, Betty, arrives at the airport, she is talking to an elderly couple she met on the plane. They seem very taken with her. Dialog and acting is all WAY OVER THE TOP. This is done to show how EVERYBODY must just instantly love the appealing Betty - What a GREAT girl. When the couple leave Betty and take off in a cab, they chuckle with one another - like they are sharing a secret - The secret being that they know who Betty really is (Diane) and that she is no good.

Betty finds Rita at the apartment. Rita has lost her memory and is helpless without help from Betty. Giddy and sleuth like, Betty is all ready to help Rita. She has a little audition to get out of the way first and scores the part. The agents there are so thrilled by her performance that they take her to audition for a better picture. The director is obviously taken with Betty, but he never gets the chance to audition her. See, he has been ordered by some kind of casting mafia to give the role to a girl named Camilla, which he grudgingly does. Betty realizing she is late to meet Rita, runs out to meet her. She doesn't even care about the role! She just wants to help her friend. Could Betty be any sweeter?

When they look into Rita's purse, they find money and a blue key. Their investigation into Rita's past leads them to a Diane Selwick. The name triggered something in Rita's memory, but more interestingly, is the way the name comes into play. There is a waitress named Diane, who is obviously really Betty. She smiles at Betty Wink Wink Nudge Nudge. Winkies, get it? To further solidify this, when they call Diane Selwick, they get a voicemail. Rita just says, that's not my voice. It isn't. It is Diane/Betty's

They meet Diane's neighbor who shows them to Diane's apartment - they "switched" apartments earlier. When they sneak into Diane's apartment, they find a dead woman on the bed. They run out horrified and Rita wants to change her appearance. That night Rita sports a blonde wig and they make love. They wake up when Rita wants to go to the Club Sinencio. There, they break down and cry and discover a blue box which matches the blue key.

Back at the apartment, Betty disappears. Rita tries to open the box. We zoom into the box, the box falls on the carpet, the picture falters, and we see Aunt Ruth looking into the bedroom. There is no box on the floor and no sign that anyone has been in there.

We are now in the Real World. Diane Selwick, Betty, wakes up in her apartment. She is sleeping in the same fashion as the corpse in the dream. We get the idea that Diane and her neighbor were once roommates and that She moved out to another apartment after they broke up. She comes back to claim her things. Diane also sees a blue key on the table. When she leaves, Camilla, Rita, is suddenly there. Effort is made to show us that this is all a fantasy. They make love and Rita calls the relationship quits. She leaves, Diane masturbates, reliving a party where Camilla reveals that she is making out with other women and is going to marry the director. We also learn that Diane was an aspiring actress and that Camilla won a role she had auditioned for. We then go to a scene in Winkies diner where Diane pays a hitman 50K to kill Camilla. He says that she will receive a blue key when the deed is done (hence, we know that the last episode with Rita/Camilla is a fantasy - The key tells us she is dead. Note also the placement of the ashtray).

With the horror of what she has done closing in on her in the form of the elderly couple, Diane runs into the bedroom and shoots herself. End.

The rest is just, well, Lynch. Strangeness will abound. Keep in mind also that this was originally shot as a pilot for a second TV series, so there may be elements that were meant to be something else entirely but were kept for their appeal. Awesome film. Questions keep popping up. IAnd I still question my take on the film. How much dreaming is really going on here. Is Camilla / Rita a fantasy in her entirety? Was the real relationship always with the jilted neighbor, prettied up in Diane's fantasy world? Diane and her neighbor switched apartments...I wonder, is there a dead girl on the bed in Diane's neigbor's apartment? Ooooo! I like that! Now I have to watch it again!

AnnaLee

AnnaLee

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAY 27, 2005 06:10 AM

There are lots of symbols and things that might be meant to signify changes between realities or other changes, the telephone ringing, the lamp going on and off etc. and Ive read lots of theories about it but I dont think there has to be one straight through 'translation' for the whole film. Some of his stuff you just have to watch and accept and appreciate in a visual sence and not necessarily decode every last detail. Im pretty sure he doesnt have an explicit single idea for the film. I think he works in the same way as an abstract painter sometimes. There are some interesting things Ive read that might help you to like the movie if you just find it too confusing though. The idea of hollywood and filmmaking is a quite a good one to follow. I remember also in one of the dvd versions it came with some cards that had clues on them though. His movies can be frustrating I guess! surreal smile

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 27, 2005 06:18 AM

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
The first half is the dream of the girl in the second half, a dream she has before killing herself for hiring a man to kill her girlfriend. There are clues throughout. The beginning reads as a typical Hollywood story of the young ingenue coming to Hollywood to be a movie star. Because the girl is an actress, this is how her dreams play out. The money and the key replay in her dream, because those are the symbols of the murder that she committed (through a hitman). The money is the same amount that the murder cost, and the key was left on her coffee table as a sign that the murder was finished.

There are some things, like the shoot out in the office (where the vacuum cleaner gets shot) that don't really add up, but they may be remnants from the original pilot




[Edited on May 27, 2005 by PointBlank]

stewed

stewed

United Kingdom
May 2005

MAY 27, 2005 06:45 AM

I'm currently reading 'Lynch on Lynch' by Chris Rodley and David Lynch actually manages to explain to some extent the meaning of it and where he gets his ideas, I'd recommend it...it's clearing up a few things for me although I think he always prefers you to come to your own conclusion anyway

Solaris

Solaris

SUICIDEGIRL

British Columbia, Canada

MAY 27, 2005 10:05 AM

i don't think i'll ever see any david lynch movies. it's not that they are completely unappealing to me, i just think i will hate them in the end. maybe because my simple mind is too tiny to fathom such a great piece of art. or something.

Ryan_Dipietro

Ryan_Dipietro

Naples, FL
April 2004

MAY 27, 2005 10:16 AM

!NO HAY BANDA!

Ryan_Dipietro

Ryan_Dipietro

Naples, FL
April 2004

MAY 27, 2005 10:18 AM

On that note, i didn't understand it either, but there was lesbian sex. So, yeah...

Koenigsegg

Koenigsegg

I'm lost
July 2004

MAY 27, 2005 10:22 AM

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

MAY 27, 2005 10:25 AM

I adore David Lynch and his films. He's my favorite director. Now, being a film student, that may not be surprising. And all my friends tease me about it. The thing about his films is, watching them stone sober (no chemicals of ANY kind) and watch them numerous times, and pay close attention.

I've explained 'Mulholland Drive' numerous times to my friends, and I don't want to do that again. I feel the explanations given in this thread thus far are good. And I will say, look at the film's tagline: "A love story set in the city of dreams."

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

MAY 27, 2005 10:37 AM

it took until "none of this is real" being repeated ten times for it to click when i first watched it.

i love his movies... anything that you have to consciously think your way through gets high marks from me. it's like a wicked hard visual puzzle.

aficionado

aficionado

Japan
May 2005

MAY 27, 2005 10:38 AM

Well, these are just my ideas, but I believe that the box and the hobo represent the repressed unconscious. Our repressed unconscious is never pretty and is usually locked away (within a box or behind a restaurant, metaphorically, representing the mind).

Much of the movie is a dream state where Diane is hallucinating the perfect scenerio just before she loses it and kills herself.

I also think the movie shows how shallow and fake Hollywood is. I think this is what ultimately leads Diane to suicide. The scary old people at the end represent this fake Hollywood and Diane's inability to confront the reality behind it forces Diane to kill herself.

I have no friggin clue what the cowboy represents, though.
Somehow the director is outside of Diane's hallucination, it seems.

I could be TOTALLY off about all of this. These are just all my ideas and I readily admit that I could have everything completely wrong. I've only seen the movie once and I need to see it again to get a better grasp of what it's trying to say. So yeah, I admit I could be very wrong about all of this. heh.

The_Reverend

The_Reverend

United Kingdom
September 2004

MAY 27, 2005 10:40 AM

It woz Lost Highway wot dun my head in good and proper.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

MAY 27, 2005 10:41 AM

Explanation: wankery.

monkeybutt

monkeybutt

I'm lost
May 2004

MAY 27, 2005 10:42 AM

it wasn't a very good movie. "symbols" or not.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

MAY 27, 2005 10:43 AM

P.S. I hate David Lynch's work for many reasons, him fucking up Dune being sufficient enough.

A movie can make you think, but the film itself should contain all that is necessary to understand it. You shouldn't have to "consult further material" to understand what the fuck you just watched.


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