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Yo_La_Jimbo

Yo_La_Jimbo

Miami, FL
December 2004

MAY 25, 2005 06:31 PM

Entertainment is the new religion, and "alternative culture" with all its accruements is the new opiate of the masses.

The culture has been desensitized to a lot of things that might have seemed outlandish 15 years ago, but I guess you could have said the same thing 15 years ago, or 30 years ago. Damn, was the a cliche or what?

Anyhoo, Contrast and semyaza are wise. Hip/alternative is a Western artifice to start with, because it's based on the notion of a consumer society, the youth market, etc. One thing is constant for humankind: there will always be a small proportion of cool people, a small proportion of real assholes, and the vast spectrum of people in between who have a little of both

Btw if I'm rambling it's because I'm withdrawing from cigs. Really, I have no idea what I'm saying at this point. Um, what was the question?


Edited to say: Really, I'm not nearly this full of cliched sociological crap most of the time. It's the gottam nicotine.

[Edited on May 25, 2005 by Yo_La_Jimbo]

BadStoryDan

BadStoryDan

Vancouver, BC
January 2005

MAY 25, 2005 06:44 PM

*Note - I did not read any of the previous posts*

Seriously, what the fuck.. I am technically young, living in an urban setting and a "professional" of sorts. Shit like this makes me look/feel like a complete tool by default. I sincerely doubt that the majority of people who think they identify with the first 2/3 of the above description even bother to read the "and is a lawyer" bit.

And what the fuck does "identifies with all things counterculture" mean? For some reason I'm hearing "pretty fly for a white guy" in my head right now. puke

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 25, 2005 07:20 PM

DanMcCollum said:

contrast said:

there's no such thing as anti-establishment. its all pop culture, its all entertainment. its all a wash.

.




I think Punk was the last real revolution. Corporate America has learned to co-opt everything that comes out now. Its horrid in many differant ways. Of course; thas why I just be myself, do my own thing, and if its 'cool', thats nice, and if its not; oh well.



Punk has nothing on Victor Hugo. There were riots in Paris because Hernani did not conform to neo-Classical standards.

Or Alfred Jarry. Ubu Roi had the audience to riled at the FIRST WORD that it was fifteen minutes before they could continue the play. Then, after the second word, they had to wait another fifteen.

Or The Marriage of Figaro. Louis XVI and Napoleon both said Beaumarchais' play would start a revolution.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAY 25, 2005 07:28 PM

Murmur said:
I don't understand why the term "yuppie" is used at all, anymore, but whatever, we've yet to think of anything more clever, I suppose.


I'm pretty sure yuppie was a term used by marketers to try to characterize a temporally distinct group of young people in the mid to late '80s, much like Generation X, Britain's Angry Young Men, etc.

I'm not sure why people want to argue about whether culturally similar but temporally distinct people have any right to their particular stake in popular culture.

burnbright

burnbright

Columbus, OH
September 2004

MAY 25, 2005 07:44 PM

contrast said:
now i'm gonna go lay on the couch and wait for my body to die.



possibly the best line i've heard all day.

flowerofromance

flowerofromance

Chicago, IL
May 2005

MAY 25, 2005 07:49 PM

Preach it, Brother Hepburn!

But why does this all remind me of the chapter on Genesis in American Psycho?

*thanks God for Sleater-Kinney yet again*

[Edited on May 25, 2005 9:50PM]

Starfior

Starfior

Madison, WI
February 2005

MAY 25, 2005 08:02 PM

Bourgeois is the sound a rich guy's lightsaber would make if he were a jedi.

DarrenDragon

DarrenDragon

Owensboro, KY
December 2002

MAY 25, 2005 09:10 PM

I thought yuppie was the antithesis of indie. Guess I'm not hip enough. This is my favorite quote from that article:

Why is it that when we're at war, and we have an administration that's so against youth, that music isn't harder and more abrasive?" Shore asks. "Now everyone wants to be the Shins. I just don't get it."


I think someone's been listening to the wrong music.

lunchbox

lunchbox

Richmond, MA
March 2005

MAY 25, 2005 09:19 PM

Something about this thread is making me crave processed meat.....

POH

POH

Seattle, WA
July 2004

MAY 25, 2005 09:28 PM

skinwalker said:
I think someone's been listening to the wrong music.



No fuckin' joke! But "nobody's" listening to them because they're not all the rage in Williamsburg. puke

akl

akl

Sacramento, CA
February 2004

MAY 25, 2005 10:02 PM

Hepburn said:

Murmur said:
If you play the game of fashion at all, you have already lost.



damn. i didn't know there was a prize at the end.


There totally is, and it's awesome.

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

MAY 25, 2005 10:38 PM

The issue is not your job nor you entertainment consumption. The issue is are you part of the problem or the solution.

Feeling guilty for making 60k at 24? Voulenteer.
Not doing a damn thing to better society and making 6.50 an hour? Shut the fuck up. Your low pay is not a ticket to bitch about other people. You need to give back to have credibility.

[Edited on May 26, 2005 1:38AM]

c0g

c0g

Andersonville, TN
November 2003

MAY 25, 2005 10:45 PM

Yes! Being an angry looser is apparently cool... Which makes me the coolest!

TrendSeven

TrendSeven

I'm lost
April 2005

MAY 25, 2005 10:49 PM

Murmur said:
If you play the game of fashion at all, you have already lost.


Only people that have tried and failed believe that.

gut666

gut666

Moreno Valley, CA
April 2005

MAY 25, 2005 11:41 PM

life just got more pathetic

sakita

sakita

Sweden
February 2003

MAY 26, 2005 03:42 AM

Hepburn said:


it sounds like this article is being written by a fat guy who can't hit the 20 year old gash. jeez. is it so wrong to be 20-30 years old and keep with the fucking times these days?




Gash is such a lovely word. whatever

and I have to say, who cares what other people are listening to and with what? I don't care that my doctor may or may not like the same music as I do, and if I had a lawyer, I wouldn't care.

I gave up caring about that when the same fucktards who made fun of me in high school for having green hair and wearing fucked up clothes started looking like me during the 90's.



[Edited on May 26, 2005 by sakita]

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 26, 2005 07:16 AM

semyaza said:
My age is gonna show with this posting, but oh well....

The "alternative" culture of the past few years is hardly alternative at all. It's simply mainstream with a few piercings and tats.

Go back 10-15 years ago and you'd see just how "alternative" alternative was, as compared to the mainstream.

Punk WAS punk...no whining and singing sad songs about relationships. It RAGED and CHALLENGED.


Ah yes, 1990, the year punk was punk.
Wow, man, that is OLD school.

Merry

Merry

Saint John, NB
December 2002

MAY 26, 2005 07:26 AM

Go read this. All of you. Now. surreal

frankjohnson

frankjohnson

I'm lost
November 2004

MAY 26, 2005 07:36 AM

Merry said:
Go read this. All of you. Now. surreal


That is exactly what I was thinking of.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 26, 2005 07:38 AM

Merry said:
Go read this. All of you. Now. surreal


Commodify Your Dissent, too.

annah

annah

Decatur, GA
April 2005

MAY 26, 2005 09:26 AM

y'all are makin my eyes bleed. hey, is anyone here into bloc party? *ducks, runs*


every time people debate "culture vs. counterculture vs. popculture vs. why i bought an mp3 player vs. urban outfitters," god kills a kitten.

stellllaaaaa!

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