From my own personal studies of the movement, Dada was a way to counteract the grotesqueness of the events of WWI. Cos when the world around you is that ridiculous, in what other logical direction can art go?
Baise said:
From my own personal studies of the movement, Dada was a way to counteract the grotesqueness of the events of WWI. Cos when the world around you is that ridiculous, in what other logical direction can art go?
Good point, but that's what I mean. When you come to terms with the fact that the world around you is inherently ludicrous, the only logical thing is to divorce yoruself from reason. I find nihilism though to be an agressive movement. Maybe I'm missing the point. I often do.
Baise said:
From my own personal studies of the movement, Dada was a way to counteract the grotesqueness of the events of WWI. Cos when the world around you is that ridiculous, in what other logical direction can art go?
Good point, but that's what I mean. When you come to terms with the fact that the world around you is inherently ludicrous, the only logical thing is to divorce yoruself from reason. I find nihilism though to be an agressive movement. Maybe I'm missing the point. I often do.
Not necessarily. The impulse to destroy what already exists so as to build something better is inherent in nihilism, and I think that's what the Dadaists were doing. Maybe not on a conscious level, though...I haven't done enough work on, say, Duchamp to know if his readymades were a conscious reevaluation of everyday objects as art, or if he just like hijinks. Or else I'm just rambling.
Baise said:
From my own personal studies of the movement, Dada was a way to counteract the grotesqueness of the events of WWI. Cos when the world around you is that ridiculous, in what other logical direction can art go?
Good point, but that's what I mean. When you come to terms with the fact that the world around you is inherently ludicrous, the only logical thing is to divorce yoruself from reason. I find nihilism though to be an agressive movement. Maybe I'm missing the point. I often do.
Not necessarily. The impulse to destroy what already exists so as to build something better is inherent in nihilism, and I think that's what the Dadaists were doing. Maybe not on a conscious level, though...I haven't done enough work on, say, Duchamp to know if his readymades were a conscious reevaluation of everyday objects as art, or if he just like hijinks. Or else I'm just rambling.
No, you're on point Phife, All the time Tip. My read is this, Nihilists are sort of passive agressive Anarchists, while Dadaists due to their inherent grounding in the arts are more of an aspirational movement. To be truly Dada you must hold all movements in contempt, including nihilism. Becase the only true freedom comes from true freedom.
Baise said:
From my own personal studies of the movement, Dada was a way to counteract the grotesqueness of the events of WWI. Cos when the world around you is that ridiculous, in what other logical direction can art go?
Good point, but that's what I mean. When you come to terms with the fact that the world around you is inherently ludicrous, the only logical thing is to divorce yoruself from reason. I find nihilism though to be an agressive movement. Maybe I'm missing the point. I often do.
Not necessarily. The impulse to destroy what already exists so as to build something better is inherent in nihilism, and I think that's what the Dadaists were doing. Maybe not on a conscious level, though...I haven't done enough work on, say, Duchamp to know if his readymades were a conscious reevaluation of everyday objects as art, or if he just like hijinks. Or else I'm just rambling.
No, you're on point Phife, All the time Tip. My read is this, Nihilists are sort of passive agressive Anarchists, while Dadaists due to their inherent grounding in the arts are more of an aspirational movement. To be truly Dada you must hold all movements in contempt, including nihilism. Becase the only true freedom comes from true freedom.
Amen, good sir. You said it so much more eloquently than I could.
Baise said:
From my own personal studies of the movement, Dada was a way to counteract the grotesqueness of the events of WWI. Cos when the world around you is that ridiculous, in what other logical direction can art go?
Good point, but that's what I mean. When you come to terms with the fact that the world around you is inherently ludicrous, the only logical thing is to divorce yoruself from reason. I find nihilism though to be an agressive movement. Maybe I'm missing the point. I often do.
Not necessarily. The impulse to destroy what already exists so as to build something better is inherent in nihilism, and I think that's what the Dadaists were doing. Maybe not on a conscious level, though...I haven't done enough work on, say, Duchamp to know if his readymades were a conscious reevaluation of everyday objects as art, or if he just like hijinks. Or else I'm just rambling.
No, you're on point Phife, All the time Tip. My read is this, Nihilists are sort of passive agressive Anarchists, while Dadaists due to their inherent grounding in the arts are more of an aspirational movement. To be truly Dada you must hold all movements in contempt, including nihilism. Becase the only true freedom comes from true freedom.
Amen, good sir. You said it so much more eloquently than I could.
It's not that they believed that life was inherently meaningless. They thought that the time they were living in, though, was divorced from rationality.
FridgeMagnet
Chicago, IL
November 2004
MAY 06, 2005 09:28 PM