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vonbaxter

vonbaxter

Lubbock, TX
November 2004

MAY 06, 2005 09:02 AM

More bare breasts than usual were bared near capitol hill when dozens of women held a "nurse-in" to petition congress to extend a mother's rights the workplace.

The demostration was held to ask congress to extend the 1978 Pregnancy Discrimination Act to state that women could no longer be fired for nursing or pumping on their workbreak.



Breast-feeding is natural and it has a health benefit to mothers and children," said the legislation's chief sponsor, New York Democratic Rep. Carolyn Maloney (news, bio, voting record), trying to be heard above the din of young children



The legislation has failed twice before but Maloney is optimistic that she can gain the votes needed.

EdmundOG

EdmundOG

I'm lost
July 2004

MAY 06, 2005 09:13 AM

"It's the most beautiful and natural thing in the world."
"Yeah, but there's a baby sucking on it."

I can't believe I just quoted "Friends".

Anyway, why are they bringing their infant children to the office with them? Am I missing something?

LokisChild

LokisChild

USA
March 2005

MAY 06, 2005 09:25 AM

i don't know....where do they keep them when they're spose to be working....in a little cage on their desk?
EL SUICIDO LOCO

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

MAY 06, 2005 09:49 AM

Yeah, I dont think the kids should even be in the workplace.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 06, 2005 09:52 AM

skankzor said:
Yeah, I dont think the kids should even be in the workplace.



Now that you mention it, what's that woman even doing out of the kitchen?

LyloniJade

LyloniJade

Madison, WI
May 2004

MAY 06, 2005 09:55 AM

When my sister had to pump at work, she had to do it in a dark utility closet. She would make me come and visit her because she was eating lunch in a smelly dank closet by herself.

TracyRamone

TracyRamone

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

MAY 06, 2005 09:58 AM

its not about bringing the infants to the workplace - its about not getting grief if you need to pump while at work - pumping is very time consuming and has to be done when let down occurs - i ran into this problem while nursing my son - thankfully i had a job that gave me a 2 hour break during the day and i had ample time to take care of business, most women get a 30 min lunch break and cant eat thier lunch and pump - i hope the legislation passes this time!

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAY 06, 2005 09:58 AM

EdmundOG said:
Anyway, why are they bringing their infant children to the office with them? Am I missing something?


Because maternity leave is only so long, and not everybody wants to leave their nursing child with a day care or nanny. Was that really that hard to figure out?

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 06, 2005 10:02 AM

punkrockjuliette said:
its not about bringing the infants to the workplace - its about not getting grief if you need to pump while at work - pumping is very time consuming and has to be done when let down occurs - i ran into this problem while nursing my son - thankfully i had a job that gave me a 2 hour break during the day and i had ample time to take care of business, most women get a 30 min lunch break and cant eat thier lunch and pump - i hope the legislation passes this time!



Why shoudl businesses be forced to accomadate someone who has voluntarily brought a new responsibility into their lives? Having a baby is not like haivng a medical condition, it's a choice. Why make someone else accomadate your lifestyle choice?

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 06, 2005 10:05 AM

adjunct said:

EdmundOG said:
Anyway, why are they bringing their infant children to the office with them? Am I missing something?


Because maternity leave is only so long, and not everybody wants to leave their nursing child with a day care or nanny. Was that really that hard to figure out?



Then maybe people ought to hold off on having children a couple years until they can afford to take the time needed to properly care for it rather than expecting their workplace to carry the burden for them?

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAY 06, 2005 10:07 AM

Cigarette said:

punkrockjuliette said:
its not about bringing the infants to the workplace - its about not getting grief if you need to pump while at work - pumping is very time consuming and has to be done when let down occurs - i ran into this problem while nursing my son - thankfully i had a job that gave me a 2 hour break during the day and i had ample time to take care of business, most women get a 30 min lunch break and cant eat thier lunch and pump - i hope the legislation passes this time!



Why shoudl businesses be forced to accomadate someone who has voluntarily brought a new responsibility into their lives? Having a baby is not like haivng a medical condition, it's a choice. Why make someone else accomadate your lifestyle choice?


Approx. 50% of the population is able to make the choice at some point in their lives, and frankly it does lead to a medical condition. By your logic, you could argue that employers should be able to fire employees who eat unhealthy food or smoke because they've made a choice that will predispose them to heart problems or lung cancer.

[Edited on May 06, 2005 by adjunct]

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAY 06, 2005 10:08 AM

Cigarette said:

adjunct said:

EdmundOG said:
Anyway, why are they bringing their infant children to the office with them? Am I missing something?


Because maternity leave is only so long, and not everybody wants to leave their nursing child with a day care or nanny. Was that really that hard to figure out?



Then maybe people ought to hold off on having children a couple years until they can afford to take the time needed to properly care for it rather than expecting their workplace to carry the burden for them?


So, you're saying child-rearing is only for people who can afford to have a single-income family? This is an incredible burden on the working poor.

Happyboy

Happyboy

Berkeley, CA
December 2004

MAY 06, 2005 10:15 AM

punkrockjuliette said:
its not about bringing the infants to the workplace - its about not getting grief if you need to pump while at work - pumping is very time consuming and has to be done when let down occurs - i ran into this problem while nursing my son - thankfully i had a job that gave me a 2 hour break during the day and i had ample time to take care of business, most women get a 30 min lunch break and cant eat thier lunch and pump - i hope the legislation passes this time!



This might be a silly question, but if pumping takes so long, why not do it when you get home from work instead of taking a long ass break that disrupts the work day?

McBane13

McBane13

I'm lost
April 2004

MAY 06, 2005 10:18 AM

Let me get this straight.

Hundreds of women beared their breastsessesses in public for a cause......AND NOBODY GOT ANY PICS?!?!?!?!

eeek







tongue

LyloniJade

LyloniJade

Madison, WI
May 2004

MAY 06, 2005 10:19 AM

ZUGGER said:

punkrockjuliette said:
its not about bringing the infants to the workplace - its about not getting grief if you need to pump while at work - pumping is very time consuming and has to be done when let down occurs - i ran into this problem while nursing my son - thankfully i had a job that gave me a 2 hour break during the day and i had ample time to take care of business, most women get a 30 min lunch break and cant eat thier lunch and pump - i hope the legislation passes this time!



This might be a silly question, but if pumping takes so long, why not do it when you get home from work instead of taking a long ass break that disrupts the work day?



If you don't pump at certain times your breasts begin to hurt and there is leaking involved.
Also it can lead to mastosis: which is, I understand, the clotting and possibly curdling of the milk. Which is painful and may lead to the mother losing her milk.

[Edited on May 06, 2005 by LyloniJade]

Rhys

Rhys

SUICIDEGIRL

Florida, USA

MAY 06, 2005 10:20 AM

as far as pumping milk at work goes, they should absolutely be allowed the time to do so at work. as far as the kids being at work thing goes.. i'm all for breaking gender roles, but i don't think women should bring their children to work unless it's their OWN private/family business or they work at a place where children are appropriate, like a daycare. I -am- part of the working poor, and this is one of the reasons i have chosen not to have children at this time, or likely any time in the near future. i would like to stay home with my infant if i ever choose to have one, and i know that wouldnt be possible at this time. I would -not- expect my workplace to accomodate my child. is it fair that i work 50 hours a week taking care of other people's children and can't afford to have my own if i chose to? hell no... but that doesnt change the way i feel about it.

for the record, i wouldnt have a kid right now even if i COULD afford it, it just irritates me that it would not be an option. tongue

iamjacksusername

iamjacksusername

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

MAY 06, 2005 10:40 AM

LyloniJade said:
When my sister had to pump at work, she had to do it in a dark utility closet. She would make me come and visit her because she was eating lunch in a smelly dank closet by herself.


That's really sad but I have to confess that for some reason it made me laugh...perhaps I need help.

LyloniJade

LyloniJade

Madison, WI
May 2004

MAY 06, 2005 11:17 AM

iamjacksusername said:

LyloniJade said:
When my sister had to pump at work, she had to do it in a dark utility closet. She would make me come and visit her because she was eating lunch in a smelly dank closet by herself.


That's really sad but I have to confess that for some reason it made me laugh...perhaps I need help.



No, you don't need help, I laughed and made fun of her all of the time. But, it really did suck(no pun intended) she suffered from Post partom depression. The fact that she had to pump in a shitty little dungen kinda pushed her over the looney edge...

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 06, 2005 11:21 AM

adjunct said:

Cigarette said:

adjunct said:

EdmundOG said:
Anyway, why are they bringing their infant children to the office with them? Am I missing something?


Because maternity leave is only so long, and not everybody wants to leave their nursing child with a day care or nanny. Was that really that hard to figure out?



Then maybe people ought to hold off on having children a couple years until they can afford to take the time needed to properly care for it rather than expecting their workplace to carry the burden for them?


So, you're saying child-rearing is only for people who can afford to have a single-income family? This is an incredible burden on the working poor.



They wouldn't be the working poor if they held off on kids for a couple years. They'd be the working middle class, they'd save some money, and be able to care for their children without forcing the burden to others. Childbirth isn't a product of bad luck or bad genes or air pollution or whatnot, it's a choice and people seem to think that they HAVE to pop one out as soon as they can, but don't come crying to me when you realize you can't afford it.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAY 06, 2005 11:22 AM

LyloniJade said:

iamjacksusername said:

LyloniJade said:
When my sister had to pump at work, she had to do it in a dark utility closet. She would make me come and visit her because she was eating lunch in a smelly dank closet by herself.


That's really sad but I have to confess that for some reason it made me laugh...perhaps I need help.



No, you don't need help, I laughed and made fun of her all of the time. But, it really did suck(no pun intended) she suffered from Post partom depression. The fact that she had to pump in a shitty little dungen kinda pushed her over the looney edge...


I worked with a woman who was in a similar situation. Management's solution? Turn the large janitor's closet (with no windows) into her office, so she could shut the door for privacy anytime. The rest of the staff, all women, were not amused.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 06, 2005 11:30 AM

adjunct said:

Cigarette said:

punkrockjuliette said:
its not about bringing the infants to the workplace - its about not getting grief if you need to pump while at work - pumping is very time consuming and has to be done when let down occurs - i ran into this problem while nursing my son - thankfully i had a job that gave me a 2 hour break during the day and i had ample time to take care of business, most women get a 30 min lunch break and cant eat thier lunch and pump - i hope the legislation passes this time!



Why shoudl businesses be forced to accomadate someone who has voluntarily brought a new responsibility into their lives? Having a baby is not like haivng a medical condition, it's a choice. Why make someone else accomadate your lifestyle choice?


Approx. 50% of the population is able to make the choice at some point in their lives, and frankly it does lead to a medical condition. By your logic, you could argue that employers should be able to fire employees who eat unhealthy food or smoke because they've made a choice that will predispose them to heart problems or lung cancer.



I don't ask for an extra hour and a half so I can go out and exercise to counteract my smoking/unhealthy food habit. And I certainly expect someone who is leading an unhealthy lifestyle to have to pay higher insurance rates. Just like unsafe drivers pay more car insurance and people with bad credit can't borrow as much.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

MAY 06, 2005 11:30 AM

Cigarette said:
They wouldn't be the working poor if they held off on kids for a couple years. They'd be the working middle class, they'd save some money, and be able to care for their children without forcing the burden to others. Childbirth isn't a product of bad luck or bad genes or air pollution or whatnot, it's a choice and people seem to think that they HAVE to pop one out as soon as they can, but don't come crying to me when you realize you can't afford it.


Putting aside your utterly galling misogyny and your utter lack of experience in the child-rearing department, I don't think anybody actually has come crying to you. Your argument assumes that staying employed is a ticket to the middle class, an assumption that the economy of the past 30 years has put the lie to.

But I'll tell you what: don't let women pump at work, and when you're dealing with prostate cancer in your later years, you don't bring a pillow to sit on. Deal?

LyloniJade

LyloniJade

Madison, WI
May 2004

MAY 06, 2005 11:30 AM

adjunct said:

LyloniJade said:

iamjacksusername said:

LyloniJade said:
When my sister had to pump at work, she had to do it in a dark utility closet. She would make me come and visit her because she was eating lunch in a smelly dank closet by herself.


That's really sad but I have to confess that for some reason it made me laugh...perhaps I need help.



No, you don't need help, I laughed and made fun of her all of the time. But, it really did suck(no pun intended) she suffered from Post partom depression. The fact that she had to pump in a shitty little dungen kinda pushed her over the looney edge...


I worked with a woman who was in a similar situation. Management's solution? Turn the large janitor's closet (with no windows) into her office, so she could shut the door for privacy anytime. The rest of the staff, all women, were not amused.




Did I mention the first few days she had to sit on an upside down bucket. She bitched until she could get a chair.

If that would have been me I would have went into the managers office yelling "fuck your bucket"

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 06, 2005 11:32 AM

"sucking on my titties for equal rights
Callin me, all the time like blondie
Check out my picket sign"

EatGreat

EatGreat

New York, NY
April 2005

MAY 06, 2005 11:46 AM

Dude, I don't care, just so long as I'm not the one picking up on their slack.

Having childen is not a disability, it's a choice. Cut the mother's milk with formula, if you have to.

[Edited on May 06, 2005 by EatGreat]

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