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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

APR 26, 2005 10:56 PM

I’ve seen a wondrous explosion of t-shirts that say “I (heart) My Cunt” or “I (heart) My Vagina in reference to The Vagina Monologues. Carrie Rethlefsen, a senior at Winona High School in Minnesota, was requested to remove her pin after the principal found it to be offensive.

Senior Carrie Rethlefsen said she started wearing the button to draw awareness to violence against women, but officials at Winona Senior High School said it could be interpreted differently, the Winona (Minn.) Daily News reported Friday."I believe in freedom of speech, and I believe in women's rights," said Principal Nancy Wondrasch. "But I also believe this could be construed as offensive or harassment."

Rethlefsen got the pin after watching "The Vagina Monologues," a play about female sexuality, and said too many women were ashamed to talk about their sexuality.
Rethlefsen's principal said she admired the student's courage, but that she thought the button would be more appropriate at a college campus.


It’s only appropriate at college campuses because harassment, rape, sexism, oppression, and patriarchy only occur on college campuses and in no way is the word “vagina” ever to be used outside of a health class and/or when an asshole football player calls a woman that doesn’t want to be used as a doormat “a cunt.”

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:15 PM

We're back with the N-word here, aren't we. Personally, I think you can call your body (and its parts) what you want. But I also think that there are far too many people who wear this sort of stuff in order to be offensive. I have no patience with those people. (I particularly hate the British 'FCUK ' stuff perpetrated by the French Collection chain. I can't find it in me to believe there's any reason to wear that except a desire to offend.)

Disclaimer: This is strictly a British perspective.

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by waldo]

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

APR 27, 2005 05:16 PM

Are guys in high school really mature enough to deal with that? The principal probably saved a lot of teachers a lot of grief, and it sounds as though she was cool about it.

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

APR 27, 2005 05:19 PM

Was hers a cunt or vagina pin?

I can see a high school not wanting people to wear stuff that says "cunt".

Vagina though... who cares.

nonbillable

nonbillable

Brooklyn, NY
September 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:22 PM

Brinstar said:
Was hers a cunt or vagina pin?

I can see a high school not wanting people to wear stuff that says "cunt".

Vagina though... who cares.


Agreed. Cunt is generally considered a curse while vagina is not.

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 27, 2005 05:23 PM

In a perfect world, she would be able to wear this. However, it was probably the right move to have her remove it. There is no doubt it would have caused a disruption, and that costs class time. If this had been the school I work at, someone in the class would have noticed it and then class would devolve from there. We'd end up losing precious instruction time.

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 27, 2005 05:25 PM

nonbillable said:

Brinstar said:
Was hers a cunt or vagina pin?

I can see a high school not wanting people to wear stuff that says "cunt".

Vagina though... who cares.


Agreed. Cunt is generally considered a curse while vagina is not.



Yeah, but to a high school kid it's going to be the most interesting thing they've ever heard. Or at least they'll act like it. Today one of the kids in my class went on a six or seven minute laugh/babble fest because some girl innocuously referenced today as "hump day."


[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by mamet]

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

APR 27, 2005 05:27 PM

Actually I think a button like that isn't particularly appropriate for high school. She should start a tolerance organization instead.

bleach1138

bleach1138

Lexington, KY
April 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:27 PM

I think this issue is vulgarity, not women's rights or sexuality. You would get ripped on by the school if you said "cunt" in a speech, along with a lot of other words, so why would it be okay on a pin just because you saw the Vagina Monologues? I saw Pulp Fiction in high school, but I didn't wear a shirt that said "DEAD NIGGER STORAGE" on it. However if the pin said "vagina" then I don't see the problem. Sex Ed is in middle school so why would "vagina" be too grown up for high school?

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:29 PM

I'd also like to ask what reaction would be appropriate if a male student wore a pin like that.

I mean, one reading "I love my cunt."

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by waldo]

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 27, 2005 05:32 PM

Her pin said "I love my vagina," so you can't really compare them.^^^

I think any student, regardless of sex, would be asked to remove something that said "I love my C U Next Tuesday." They probably also would be issued a referral.

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by mamet]

Domnicella

Domnicella

Flushing, NY
March 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:35 PM

I don't care if you heart your vagina.
Dumb slogan.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:50 PM

I agree that this comes off as sounding bad, but then again, it is high school.

It probably would create a distraction in highschool (remember, the age gamut runs from 14-18). Here's my point of view on the thing (speaking in high school terms):

I <3 My Cunt : Entirely Unacceptable
I <3 My Vagina : Shaky, very shaky. Most would not immediately think of it as a slogan of female empowerment
End The Violence: Much Better Choice
Equality Now: Again....better

Anyways, I dont think this is discriminatory. If I wore a "I <3 My Penis" pin in HS, I think it would be taken about the same way.

TheWhale

TheWhale

Troy, MI
August 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:52 PM

waldo said:
I'd also like to ask what reaction would be appropriate if a male student wore a pin like that.

I mean, one reading "I love my cunt."

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by waldo]



Or a pin that said "I love my penis" or "I love my cock." It's absurd to expect anything other than a request to remove it.

Strangely, at my former high school just recently, a pair of Jewish (or thinking about converting to Judaism) students were suspended after refusing to remove their yamulkes.

-Billy Billy

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:53 PM

mamet said:
Her pin said "I love my vagina," so you can't really compare them.^^^

I think any student, regardless of sex, would be asked to remove something that said "I love my C U Next Tuesday." They probably also would be issued a referral.


Yes. I'm trying to illustrate why I think this is analogous to the use of the word "nigger". It's something you can get away with, if you're entitled to use it. If not, it's taboo. Which seems only proper, to me.

Alisa

Alisa

SUICIDEGIRL

Ohio, USA

APR 27, 2005 05:54 PM

Thistle said:
Actually I think a button like that isn't particularly appropriate for high school. She should start a tolerance organization instead.




agreed! she should start a site or an after-school discussion group. she could talk to girls in her area on a one on one or group basis. but to wear that at school she knew it would cause some sort of stir or commotion. if she wasn't prepared to take the heat even if it was negative she shouldn't have worn something controversial.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 05:55 PM

SukoShukia said:

waldo said:
I'd also like to ask what reaction would be appropriate if a male student wore a pin like that.

I mean, one reading "I love my cunt."

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by waldo]



Or a pin that said "I love my penis" or "I love my cock." It's absurd to expect anything other than a request to remove it.



Certainly. It was the question of possession implied in the pin which I was commenting on.

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by waldo]

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 27, 2005 05:56 PM

waldo said:

mamet said:
Her pin said "I love my vagina," so you can't really compare them.^^^

I think any student, regardless of sex, would be asked to remove something that said "I love my C U Next Tuesday." They probably also would be issued a referral.


Yes. I'm trying to illustrate why I think this is analogous to the use of the word "nigger". It's something you can get away with, if you're entitled to use it. If not, it's taboo. Which seems only proper, to me.



Right, in the "real world" this is true. But in high school, no one should be allowed to wear things with those words on them (the "c" word and the "n" word). They'd be a distraction.

waldo

waldo

I'm lost
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 06:02 PM

mamet said:

waldo said:

mamet said:
Her pin said "I love my vagina," so you can't really compare them.^^^

I think any student, regardless of sex, would be asked to remove something that said "I love my C U Next Tuesday." They probably also would be issued a referral.


Yes. I'm trying to illustrate why I think this is analogous to the use of the word "nigger". It's something you can get away with, if you're entitled to use it. If not, it's taboo. Which seems only proper, to me.



Right, in the "real world" this is true. But in high school, no one should be allowed to wear things with those words on them (the "c" word and the "n" word). They'd be a distraction.



We're not disagreeing here smile

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

APR 27, 2005 06:05 PM

I used to have an "I love my penis" pin in high school.

Or wait...

Maybe I just pulled out my penis walking around saying "I love my penis."

I don't quite remember those days clearly...

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 06:40 PM

Brinstar said:
I used to have an "I love my penis" pin in high school.

Or wait...

Maybe I just pulled out my penis walking around saying "I love my penis."

I don't quite remember those days clearly...



I used to do that too....until charges were pressed frown

howdidigethere

howdidigethere

Oroville, CA
June 2004

APR 27, 2005 07:57 PM

that shirt was made to ruffle feathers. the girl knows it. she did it so now she can take the button off.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 27, 2005 08:01 PM

Thistle said:
Actually I think a button like that isn't particularly appropriate for high school. She should start a tolerance organization instead.


The schoolyard chant-

"What do we want?"
"CUNT TOLERANCE!"
"When do we want it?"
"NOW!"

TruthWhore

TruthWhore

Berkeley, CA
August 2004

APR 27, 2005 08:06 PM

"could be construed as offensive or harassment."

who is she harassing? herself?

"[the pin] could be interpreted differently."

this just made me laugh.

Leanimal

Leanimal

Gainesville, FL
February 2005

APR 27, 2005 08:11 PM

I think it depends on the rules they had for other students - It's hard for me to see where she could go wrong with having the word Vagina in something. Back at my highschool, the boys used to wear college hats from SC - that said COCKS right across the top - if boys can wear stuff like that, she should be able to wear vagina wherever she wants.

But that was just the rule at my high school - if they have no tolerance for all of it - then I suppose I get the point, especially if it would cause a disruption.

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