NEWS: Porn Again

this is just the same old bullshit argument. people that are escalated to violent/degrading acts by imagery, whether it be movies music whatever, obviously already have this switch in their heads from birth. I'm sure I've heard every marilyn manson song dylan klebold ever did but I have yet to shoot up a high school. I've seen the old horsegag clip but I still haven't decided to go blow smarty jones. why can't society just accept that there are fucked up humans amongst us and quit trying to explain away every fucking detail?

I think it was more the AIDS crisis.

there is some internet porn that degrades everyone. like the classic. www.boygirlbang.com and there are a few other female operated shit talking POV cam sites.

But there are alot of degrading violent sites out there. A lot. A lot. Most of it is all theature but still. A lot.

It's interesting to look at the drawn porn available on the web. I mean comics, hentai, etc.. A lot of that is really, really foul. It seems to be a selling point that it's possible to draw stuff without anyone actually being hurt in the process. Which is true, but the results are awful. I worry about this stuff. Who wants to see it?

I don't know if it is a selling point that it is drawn so it isn't hurting anyone. I think it is more the logistics... it is difficult to get aliens to penetrate girls in all holes with their tenticles in real life. Not impossible, just difficult.

It's a specific point made in some places. I've learned not to go there. I'm not talking about tentacle hentai, I don't know anything about that except that it exists. I mean that the majority of drawn porn on the web seems to be violent towards women. Not just sub fantasies, but torture images.

[Edited on Apr 27, 2005 by waldo]

ahh bless todays youth...

Shielding childeren from sex is something that happened in the late 19th cenuntury among wealthy western urban cultures. Up until 1860 most people in the world all lived in one room sex between husband and wife was not a big secret as there was no real place to get much privacy. Most people grew up on farms and childeren were exposed to those frisky aniamls and thier behaviour every day so sex was not a big secret like it became in the late 19th century. With the rise of middle class wealth childeren were in thier own rooms and mom and dad had some privacy. Sex became more taboo and the institution of maraige became popular with the lower classes. We now have the problem of sex education which was frowned on by the church. So I guess it has come full circle with childeren seeing sexualy expliced images where in the past 100 years they had not been exposed to them.

I have a lot more problems with young childeren seeing violence in our society at a young age. I have visted friends and they have put movies on for the kids that are totaly inapropriate because of the violence content. These folks look at me like I am nuts when I ask them to pick another movie for the 5 year olds to watch. I have seen the effects of voilence up close and it's not fun. (I was just in a home today where there was a murder suicide.)

I don't want my 5 year old seeing 300 Asian Cumshots either but I can explain what is happening to her better than Pulp Fiction ( Which is a great film but not for 5 year olds)

Hey Thistle How come your photoset Beef looks like you are taking a big Manly money shot in the face if you are not into having semen squirted all over you. ( Second to last shot in photo set)

This should have said "twenty times fewer reported cases.

Many of the Japanese women I have known can summarize their sexual experiences as near-rape or rape-like: no foreplay, no lubrication, no communication.

Yes, these are generalizations, but let's get a better perspective of which generalizations to believe.

And while Japan may be inundated with pornography, it's not like every Joe Tanaka is reading bondage/fetish/rape comics in public. People who do are still socially shunned, and seen as "hentai" or perverted. This is a culture where open discussion about sex is taboo, and there is little to no sexual education is school, so many people end up with lousy experiences and no sense of their sensual selves.

Funniest thing heard from a Japanese guy about Western porn: "It's like sports!"

KORN Untouchables "Beat it Upright" 0:20 - 0:40



[Edited on Apr 28, 2005 11:55AM]

Every human being has this switch. Most of us just put up enough walls to make it nearly inaccessible. The concern is that these children are not getting the kind of background needed to build these walls.

You see it everyday in the Mob Mentality. Some normal Joe Schmoe type loses his gourd and rapes/kills/beats/etc some other normal Joe Smith. Everyone who has ever met Joe Schmoe says he doesn't have that switch and would never do something like that. Mr. Schmoe let his guard down, flipped the switch that's there in everyone and is now dating a giant, neo-nazi named Bubba while serving 20 to life at the local Pen.

Are you really suggesting that what children experienced as sex between adults in the past by being in the same room at night is in any way similar to the representations of sex, sexuality, and sexual violence available online? If anything (I mean, maybe there was hot gang bang action), at least the children knew the adults as real people. Now we just get (mostly) static images of body parts that, honestly, you can't really see all that well while actually experiencing sex. I am in no way anti-pornography on principle. I liken my stance to the stance of those individuals who support the death penalty in principle but support a moratorium because it is clear that blacks are disproportionately sentenced to death. I support pornography (that seems weird to say), but I am certainly not happy with the disproportionate representation of sex as violent. I am, however, one of those crazy leftist feminists who believes that cum shots are symbolic violence. Kids probably don't understand that, they just see that sex is when men get to do really shitty things to women and their bodies. Pornography could be about all the really amazing things we can do with and to each others bodies.

edited to add - Were you refering to those good 'ol days when sex was natural and women knew their place? That is only to point out that sex and sexuality were definetly not better "back then." I am certain that sex is better for women now, generally. Almost everything is better for women now. But there is a lot of work to be done still. Also, children witnessed amazing violence in the past - public executions for one. Children are incredibly protected from experiencing real violence today, relative to any time in history.

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I find it quite interesting that one of the strongest pieces of anecdotal evidence for porn contributing to violence came from claims made by Ted Bundy in his execution-eve interview with James Dobson. Bundy told "Mr. Focus on the Family" that porn made him do it, and Dobson gleefully reported it to his audience.
What Bundy neglected to tell Dobson, or Dobson neglected to pass along, was the nature of Bundy's "porn."



Cheerleader enthusiast magazines.

Fetish, maybe (for him, certainly) but not exactly what anyone here would call pornography.

For someone not inclined to violence, porn does not incite it. For someone with a predisposition, anything can be their trigger, even American Cheerleader(tm)

I dunno...I've watched and liked some pretty...weird and degrading stuff, but in real life I'm a nice guy who probably does more to please her than myself.

My point is that you can fantasize about something without doing it in real life. I mean, I've probably killed a million people and commited various other heinous acts in video games, but zero in reality.

this guy must have found those really kinky ass sites that are only for the truely ill.

I agree with all the people who object to porn because of its one-note nature. I don't like a lot of porn because if it doesn't seem to me like anyone could have had a good time producing it I don't get a good time watching or looking at it. That's not to say that decent production conditions can't be faked but if you can see that it's all a bit uncomfortable then that has an effect.

Plus the fact there isn't a lot of variety in what is most easily found can lead to mistaken impressions forming in the minds of the less experienced. I think these impressions in many cases are just discussions waiting to happen though... it's more a matter of embarrassment for the one who learned their sexual technique from internet porn than anything more serious.