NEWS: Eighty Charged In Indian Burial Ritual

CULTURE: Eighty Charged In Indian Burial Ritual

Eighty people have been charged with burying children alive during the Indian religious ceremony known as Kuzhimattru Thiru Vizha ("The Festival Of Pits", which takes place every two years.

Indian police have arrested and charged eighty people following this year's ceremony. Those found guilty will face either a three-year prison term or a fine equaling $114.

other cultures rituals i always find fascinating


when tired, type in a yoda fashion, do i

I think the drug they use is hash. Maybe not. As long as nobody gets hurt who cares?

If you do it right, billy will never even know.


I tell you what though, boy do I feel dumb when I can't remember exactly where i buried them.

Oh I refute you with circumsicion and branding/ritual scarring. its the culture man. and if no permanent harm is done no big deal.

Where does the article state that no permanent harm was done?

are you people collective fucked?!?!?!?!?! In a country that have committed Femicide..aborted female fetus,..because they are female.....our culture....fuck off and get a war zone, yoy bleeding heart fucks...................

You ever been to an area that values woman less, children less then a good clean cup of water......please save you neo-liberal bullshit for your friends and nor for the people that are being burnt or buried,,,,,,,,,,,,,,fuckin' intellectial pussies...get your head out off you ass..... Andreas

hmmm...sounds a little safer than re-virthing ceremonies where children are forced to tear their way out of blankets to similuate birth (since I know I had to pus my way out of the womb without any help from my mother...)

In ways it sounds similar to a baptism (although I do not think they still dunk children underwater anymore, and certainly not for a minute.)

Although it seems cruel in western culture to drug and bury children, and although not the safest thing to do to a newborn, they have probably been doing it for centuries so they know how to do it so the child does not suffocate or overdose (although one or the other could very well happen.)

I tried to get more information on this ritual and it says here that the children were fully-conscious and the pits were partially covered with tin-sheeting. Whether the children were conscious or not, I am assuming if they used tin sheeting, it was to leave some room for the childen to breathe? It also mentioned it was a 400-year-old tradition, so I imagine, although not safe, the priests know the safest method of performing this ceremony.

Here it talks in greater depth how the ritual is perfomed.

^^ This is not well written.

That was just really confusing. I'm not really sure whose side you're on. And I think the punctuation buttons on your keyboard are broken.

I see your point, but perhaps it more brings light that both practices are wrong. I think so long as the child is safe, no air passages blocked, then the "buried" part isn't so bad- assuming they're not entirely burried, I'm not too familiar with this, but I don't know how much I like the idea of them feeding the child drugs. Not so much because of the drug, but because the child doesn't really have much of a choice. Yes, children don't have a choice in many other aspects of their life, as well, but circumcision (to use an example someone already gave) has benefits to a persons life (less risk of infection, so I've read). I can't think of a practical reason why this practice would be beneficial to a person. Again, though, so long as nobody is being hurt.

No lasting harm should come if they're buried for such a short period of time, but still, the people should get what's coming.

Sure, it's part of their culture. But culture changes. Just because slavery was part of American culture (and many others) doesn't make it OK. Do you think the kids have any say in the matter? Of course not. I know I wouldn't want to be buried.

I could be wrong but I'm fairly positive that circumcision actually has no medical value. I think that whole less infection thing has been proven to be hogwash. I mean, if you don't carefully clean your penis, it's going to get infected, hoodie or not.

I was going to bring up baptism but someone beat me to it. I don't really think it's necessary to bury kids, but then I don't get baptism or any other religious ceremony. I mean if you want to eat bread and say it's the flesh of some guy who got nailed to a tree 2000 years ago, power to you; if you want to briefly and safely bury kids, knock yourself out. I am, however, a little concerned about the drugs as well.

Boy, sure is comfortable up here on this fence (go post-modernism).

Oh yea, and:

Ummm... can I pay the $114 please? I mean do these really seem equal? Maybe I just need to not look at the $114 through western tinted glasses.

Mm... Western tint. Feels good. Kinda like Danger Sensitive glasses.

Fuck it. I don't know these people. I don't know their kids. You don't know these people. You don't know their kids. (unless you do, then you can ignore my statements) As such... Why the fuck should you give a shit what they're doing?

"Ooohh... It's wrong... It's not humane... protectors of the fucking planet are we..."

Eat a cock. No. Eat two cocks. You're as much a bleeding heart as the pussies who chalk up fucked up shit to culture.

Seriously fuckers, if these people bury their kids, does it effect you? If they burn their kids in a pit to Baal, does it effect you? If they eat their children with pickle relish, does it effect you? If they raise their kids like the goddam Brady Bunch, does it effect you? Shit no.

Read the article. Feel like you've gained some knowledge of another culture and its style of being fucked up, don't bitch because there's really nothing to be done about it because you really don't belong giving a fuck about everyone. It just makes life too stressful. And worry about the people close to you before worrying about stupid fucks on the other side of the fucking planet.

I'm spent.

I think the circumcision infections are more prevolent with younger children.. Given this was a british doctor, and any refference to the BBC immediately seems like a joke to me, but this is what I read about circumcision:

Problems that may arise:

1 Where the foreskin cannot comfortably be pulled back over the glans (knob) of the penis. Now, up until the age of five or six, many boys cannot retract their foreskins - mums and dads beware - if you try too early you may do some damage. Above the age of six or seven, it is important that boys be taught how to clean under the foreskin, making sure the skin is pulled right back. If your son cannot do that he may need circumcising. Boys frequently forget or deliberately avoid this routine and run into difficulties.

2 If the foreskin cannot easily be moved when the penis becomes hard, or if that causes pain - this is not only a childhood problem. At puberty, as the penis grows and masturbation begins, problems may emerge. Some men have pain on intercourse, which they then try to avoid for that reason. If so, you (and your partner) will benefit from your circumcision just as many boys do. Some men are afraid to admit to this problem, but it is curable by circumcision.

3 Where you and your partner keep getting 'thrush' infections.Some call this 'sexual ping-pong'. One keeps passing it back to the other. Of course, you may first try creams or tablets from your doctor or chemist, but if it keeps coming back, circumcision will cure it. It did for me. The foreskin is a warm and moist incubator under which infections can easily develop.


Benefits:

1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used - this applies also to preventing cancer of the cervix in women who have several partners.)

A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.

5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.

6 Lots of men, and their partners, prefer the appearance of their penis after circumcision, It is odour-free, it feels cleaner, and they enjoy better sex. Awareness of a good body image is a very important factor in building self confidence.

7 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.

8 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely.


not that this is relevant, persay.. but enough to justify what I earlier said, perhaps? Still, I'm not sure how esteemed this doctor is- so it's more just food for thought.

So.. hypothetically, you're walking down the street, and some woman you don't know is being raped by some man you don't know. Do you ignore it? I mean, by this logic, neither are people you know, and you won't be permanantly affected by this act they're engaged in.. but it's something morally, I'd hope, you're not pleased with.

I'm pretty sure most people with thoughts on this subject (in this board, at the very least) are fairly apathetic about it, just the same. Whether or not they think that the people should have been arrested is merely personal opinion.. and these boards are usually for tossing those opinions back and forth, to further one's knowledge on a subject, or sometimes shed light on aspects other people may not have considered by reflecting their own opinions.

Lastly, if you feel it isn't anyone's business to have opinions about people they don't know.. then why are you so opinionated toward people taking in interest in others lives? The whole gesture, replying in a message board (inflicting your opinion on people you don't know) is fairly hypocritical if you don't think people should be taking such an interest in the lives of strangers.

Let the people talk, it isn't as though a message-board of twenty-somethings is going to sway what's already been done.

Simply put. You people are in my sphere of reality.

You are, to me, Oldmoonmeetnew. Does this mean I invite you in for tea? No. Does it mean that I know you? Not on a personal level, but you are a being I've had some contact with.

Just as your hypothetical rape victim would be.

[Edited on Apr 14, 2005 by Starfior]

[Edited on Apr 14, 2005 by Starfior]

true enough.. as far as having had some contact with. I just see no harm in exchanging personal opinions.

You have to look at it like this

The average annual income in India is $350
(source: www.letsgo.com/IN)

$114 is roughly 32%

The average annual income in the US of A is $43,318 as of 2003
(source: www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/h08.html)

32% of that is $13,861.76

A pretty steep fine

Jeez some people like to yell. I stand by the no harm issue.

In regards to circumscion you are cutting the most sensitive part of the penis off. I am circumsiced but I would like to try sex with more foreskin. I'll conceed the health benifits in regards to diseases but the key is not getting those diseases under the foreskin in the first place. And the self image is a culteral issue.

I think some people should take an intro to philosphy class and then rant. it would at least be more coherent if not approaching relevancy.

and again I mention ritual scarring. not FGM but ritual scarring.

I'm sure the key to avoiding any disease is not letting it get on your skin to begin with, whether it be under the foreskin, or on any part of your body- yet, people do continue to come down with diseases.

That is true, ritual scarring is also something that I don't particularly agree with.

Thinking on this whole thing though, what I don't like is that the police went to this ritual to arrest the indians, but I can't seem to find anything on the subject where the police went to warn them they would. It just seems unjust that they would allow them to have their ritual, and while it's going on just bust 'em. Or, maybe they did warn them, I don't know.. but I think maybe a warning would have been more appropriate.

I think the whole "it doesn't effect you arguement" is flawed and Sept 11th showed us that. The planet grows smaller every year and terrorism has roots in western countries actions.

Umm... Does the fact that I didn't give two shits about Sept 11 make me a bad person? Just wondering. I know there's the "We're all American" argument, and to a point I suppose that means I should care some. But Sept 11 didn't effect me except for raising the gas price even higher.