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dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

APR 08, 2005 11:28 AM

China needs oil. China needs so much oil that it has become profitable to extract oil from Canadian oil sands.

"Canada and China have decided to work together to promote cooperation in the oil and gas sector, including Canada's oil sands," a joint statement said. "In addition, China and Canada will encourage and push forward joint comprehensive research and study of oil sand technologies."

US Republican Senator Pete Domenici, the chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, said "it is good" that the oil fields are being developed because it is a big addition to the world's oil reserves.


Don't think that using previously unprofitable oil reserves means that gas is going to get cheaper.

A recent study by a US environmental think tank predicted that by 2031, if current growth continues, China will need 99 million barrels of oil a day. The world currently produces 79 million barrels per day and might not be able to produce much more than that, now or in the future.


The Chinese and Indian need for oil is pushing up prices accross the world. UK gas prices hit a record high recently.

A litre of unleaded petrol now costs 85.6p and some analysts are warning of further increases to come.


(That's $1.61USD per litre, or about $6.10USD per US Gallon.)

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

APR 08, 2005 02:17 PM


(That's $1.61USD per litre, or about $6.10USD per US Gallon.)



ouch

FallFromGrace

FallFromGrace

Seattle, WA
March 2004

APR 08, 2005 02:19 PM

the answer is simple.

Take over China.

But first, we should invade Canada as a warm up and to secure their vast hockeyplayer resources.

Yay for Fallout!

Trucker_Fiction

Trucker_Fiction

Normal, IL
December 2003

APR 08, 2005 02:54 PM

puke

i knew this was coming... too bad i drive a V8... looks like i better air up my bicycle tires.

HenryTMensch

HenryTMensch

New York, NY
December 2004

APR 08, 2005 03:18 PM

I don't own a car. I live in Manhattan, which has the world's best public transportation system. Suck it up, you car-driving fools.

kitschy

kitschy

Raleigh, NC
July 2004

APR 08, 2005 03:33 PM

whatever. I got a Prius, which means I fill up about 1/2 as often as most... "Bring it on!" <--- Only time I will EVER quote Bush. Besides, its about time we stopped being sheltered from the crude (get it, CRUDE! tongue ) reality the rest of the world deals with, and pays for, everuday.

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

APR 08, 2005 03:47 PM

I have a cave in the hills - first ten people to join me can share. Bring your own shotguns and canned food.

yomamashe

yomamashe

Milwaukee, WI
December 2004

APR 08, 2005 04:20 PM

A Prius helps, but will not solve the problem. It is a stop gap measure at best (though a very good one). Ultimately, we need to be looking at more public transportation, more decentralization (as in you don't have to drive 10 miles to get a fucking drill bitt at Home Depot), and looking towards other potential power sources. Note the complete lack of public interest in the above solutions.

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

APR 08, 2005 04:45 PM

Geo Metro 1990 4 door stick.

BioDiesel (which may get more expensive once petroleum based fertilisers get too pricey)

Walking

SUV Tax? What? I said SUV Tax. yeah.

mariothemonkey

mariothemonkey

Avon, OH
June 2004

APR 08, 2005 04:54 PM

Thats it, I am gettting my motercycle licence
ooo aaa

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

APR 08, 2005 04:54 PM

yomamashe said:
A Prius helps, but will not solve the problem. It is a stop gap measure at best (though a very good one). Ultimately, we need to be looking at more public transportation, more decentralization (as in you don't have to drive 10 miles to get a fucking drill bitt at Home Depot), and looking towards other potential power sources. Note the complete lack of public interest in the above solutions.


It's more a matter of public funds, not interest. Not to mention, many people in small towns have to commute to other cities in order to keep a job. Hell, I live in a large city, and I have to drive almost an hour (all freeway, thank god) to get to work.

TonyTails

TonyTails

Calgary, AB
December 2003

APR 08, 2005 04:55 PM

The oil sands are profitable at $15/bbl. With oil over $50/bbl, it's not even a close call.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

APR 08, 2005 05:04 PM

Once again, technology will find a way to extract more fuel in more efficient ways by then; the market will bet on it. In fact, China and India and all the other massive developing countries will probably be the best thing to ever happen to the energy industry, as it will finally push for more efficient and intuitive use of current and future forms of energy production.

dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

APR 08, 2005 05:20 PM

AceTracer said:
as it will finally push for more efficient and intuitive use of current and future forms of energy production.


Maybe, or just more desperate and inefficient extraction form otherwise hopelessly cost-ineffective materials.

I kind of hope people concentrate on other tech. Some of India is pretty high tech, I wish they could get some real engineering going.

VanCleef

VanCleef

Calgary, AB
April 2005

APR 08, 2005 06:20 PM

I live in Alberta and our oil prices are still high. We are one of the only places that produces enough so that we get noticed and we don't even get to benafit from all of our brown bubbly focilized goodness that we sell to almost every country that doesn't produce its own and can afford the high prices. Mind you, we are the only Canadian province that is officially out of debt. But because of our 'oil drive' to support superpowers like The old USA, Russia, and expecially China, our schools and roads are as run down as half the people. Damn superpowers! haha biggrin

Ravnos

ravnos

Edmonton, AB
OLD SKOOL

APR 08, 2005 09:40 PM

Myos said:
I live in Alberta and our oil prices are still high. We are one of the only places that produces enough so that we get noticed and we don't even get to benafit from all of our brown bubbly focilized goodness that we sell to almost every country that doesn't produce its own and can afford the high prices. Mind you, we are the only Canadian province that is officially out of debt. But because of our 'oil drive' to support superpowers like The old USA, Russia, and expecially China, our schools and roads are as run down as half the people. Damn superpowers! haha biggrin



We don't benefit from all the oil we sell? Would you like to explain that or are you going to continue talking out of your ass?

Walker

Walker

Redmond, OR
March 2005

APR 08, 2005 09:43 PM

demetrius_z said:
(That's $1.61USD per litre, or about $6.10USD per US Gallon.)




And I thought $2.50 a gallon was a lot.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

APR 08, 2005 09:48 PM

if anyone is interested in what alternatives to gas guzzling are being developed, check out this blog:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/

(car alternatives, that is. the usual alternatives like walking, taking the bus or riding your bike should be obvious enough.)

VanCleef

VanCleef

Calgary, AB
April 2005

APR 08, 2005 10:54 PM

Ravnos said:

Myos said:
I live in Alberta and our oil prices are still high. We are one of the only places that produces enough so that we get noticed and we don't even get to benafit from all of our brown bubbly focilized goodness that we sell to almost every country that doesn't produce its own and can afford the high prices. Mind you, we are the only Canadian province that is officially out of debt. But because of our 'oil drive' to support superpowers like The old USA, Russia, and expecially China, our schools and roads are as run down as half the people. Damn superpowers! haha biggrin



We don't benefit from all the oil we sell? Would you like to explain that or are you going to continue talking out of your ass?




Yeah sure. I was trying to say that our gas and oil prices are high, even though we are producing a large amount and sell a large amount. Obviously our prices won't go down because even though we produce it we still have to pay for it. I was just joking and saying it sucks that we produce so much of it and still pay high prices. It was a joke. I can see how people might have thought I ment we don't benafit from the money made by selling the oil we produce, but that wasn't what I ment. Sorry for the confusion. smile

deadandburied

deadandburied

I'm lost
March 2004

APR 09, 2005 01:34 AM

Gas cost 5 cents a gallon in Iraq right now. You could move there for cheaper gas. It is our tax dollars paying for it right now.

The U.S. government is buying the barrels for the regular price and then selling them at the discounted price to Iraq filling stations.

cxc496

cxc496

Nazareth, PA
March 2004

APR 09, 2005 05:49 AM

i bought a bicycle this spring with the sole purpose of riding it to the state park near my house, in an effort to lose a couple of pounds. but lately i've been thinking that if i ride it 9.5 miles in the other direction, i'm at work. that's only 2 miles farther than i ride to the park. although i'm 40,000 times more likely to be killed riding in that direction.

cxc496

cxc496

Nazareth, PA
March 2004

APR 09, 2005 05:50 AM

buddylee said:
Gas cost 5 cents a gallon in Iraq right now. You could move there for cheaper gas. It is our tax dollars paying for it right now.

The U.S. government is buying the barrels for the regular price and then selling them at the discounted price to Iraq filling stations.



that's it...i'm riding my bicycle to iraq

TonyTails

TonyTails

Calgary, AB
December 2003

APR 09, 2005 10:20 AM

Myos said:
I live in Alberta and our oil prices are still high. We are one of the only places that produces enough so that we get noticed and we don't even get to benafit from all of our brown bubbly focilized goodness that we sell to almost every country that doesn't produce its own and can afford the high prices. Mind you, we are the only Canadian province that is officially out of debt. But because of our 'oil drive' to support superpowers like The old USA, Russia, and expecially China, our schools and roads are as run down as half the people. Damn superpowers! haha biggrin



The benefit comes from having jobs and money, not from low prices.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

APR 09, 2005 10:35 AM

demetrius_z said:

AceTracer said:
as it will finally push for more efficient and intuitive use of current and future forms of energy production.


Maybe, or just more desperate and inefficient extraction form otherwise hopelessly cost-ineffective materials.


But Syncrude has been profitably extracting oil from sand for some time now. I don't understand how it's news that China has started buying it, although I do wonder what groups like Syncude are going to do with their waste materials as they increase production.

Conxuela

Conxuela

Flagstaff, AZ
December 2004

APR 09, 2005 12:38 PM

sure glad i don't drive!
woot! i win!

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