Vestril said:
It seems as though the gay or bi people who might have otherwise tried to participate were too busy spreading their message of hatred of intolerance.
[Edited on Apr 07, 2005 11:49AM]
Sort of a double negative don't you think? Come on now buddy you're being disingenuous and you know it. Next thing you know you'll be calling biology professors bigots for not accepting the creationist life style.
And how could they participate without first validating the event and second without kissing a member of the opposite sex? The three girls kissing winning the funniest kiss contest is a deliberate jab. Why is that funny?
You're going out of your way to feel offended by me and by this contest, the girl-on girl action only reinforces that these people aren't homophobic (and have you ever seen 3 people kiss? it's a funny thing, and all but impossible to manage without some sort of homosexual contact). I also feel I should point out that I didn't say that I have a problem with hating intolerance, in fact I chose my words very carefully. I wasn't being disingenuous, I was just trying to expand your point of view.
The way in which gay or bi-sexual people could have participated is by reaching out to the people who started the event and ask them to be more inclusive--maybe they even did and were brutally shot down by the organizers--I don't know any more than what I read. My point, my main point through all of this, has been to provide some defense for the seemingly good-natured people who organized this event because at least from the perspective of the article I read, it was done in good faith. It strikes me that most of the people who belong to this site should appreciate attempts, especially by the so-called conservative side, to raise sexual awareness, even if they didn't do a perfect job. They certainly don't seem to deserve the derision and contempt offered by many people here
Promote heterosexuality, what exactly does mean anyways? And why would you need to promote it? Is there a lack of heterosexuality in America?
The point, as I saw it, in the article was that sexuality in general needs to be more open in this country, and the best way to achieve this is to reach out to the majority (who are heterosexuals).
I certainly don't think that a kissing contest had anything to do with a band of bloodthirsty straights trying to rub it in on the poor defenseless bi/homosexuals and keep them down. I fail to see how people making out (even accepting so-called homosexual behavior) is anything but good fun (unless there were events like pin the tail on the demon-gay or burn the effigy of the BI-sexual that weren't mentioned in the article I read...). I guess I'm just not as bitterly cynical about kissing as some people
commonman said:
I am surprised at some of the posts in this thread that seem to accept the premise of a "heterosexual pride" day. Accepting the validity of that is akin to accepting the validity of a "white history" month because those crazy, fun-loving black people have a "black history" month. Oh, it's not because we're racist, it's just because we have pride in who we are, too.
Of course I accept the premise of a hetersexual pride day just as much as I do of a gay or bisexual one. If I didn't I'd just be being a bigot. Was what they did necessarily a good idea and did it advance the cause of acceptance? I'm not sure. They say everyone had a good time and all but who knows if thats true. All I know is that if they want to do that then they should. And if other people want to be offended by it and protest it or whatever then they should too but there is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are and as a straight middle class white male I don't feel like I should be anything but proud of who I am not for being any of those labels but b/c hey I'm me and I like me (well sometimes at least) and if some people want to celebrate who they are in such a limiting category let them. Have your own party that counteracts it if you want too but don't damn them for having the party they want to have.
Promote heterosexuality, what exactly does mean anyways? And why would you need to promote it? Is there a lack of heterosexuality in America?
The point, as I saw it, in the article was that sexuality in general needs to be more open in this country, and the best way to achieve this is to reach out to the majority (who are heterosexuals).
Sexuality in general needs to be more open in this country, just not homosexuality.
all said sounds like a big excuse to wander around a college campus and kiss whomever you choose. calling it a contest, whatever. it's just a bunch of college kids doing what they'd be doin anyway, but with better publicity. a pretty good hack to me.
As a bisexual, I say good for them. The more kissing going on the better and the truth is that one of the biggest (albeit irrational) fears heterosexuals have is that homosexuals are going to turn them into the marginalized group. Maybe if gays would quit being so heterophobic maybe...just fucking maybe...it would make heterosexuals a little less homophobic.
If we ever want to have anything resembling harmony, we have to get over these petty urges to spite each other whenever we see each other showing a little pride about themselves.
Vanuslux said:
As a bisexual, I say good for them. The more kissing going on the better and the truth is that one of the biggest (albeit irrational) fears heterosexuals have is that homosexuals are going to turn them into the marginalized group. Maybe if gays would quit being so heterophobic maybe...just fucking maybe...it would make heterosexuals a little less homophobic.
If we ever want to have anything resembling harmony, we have to get over these petty urges to spite each other whenever we see each other showing a little pride about themselves.
Um, what? Heterophobic?
I don't know a single GLB person who I would remotely describe as "heterophobic". Phobic implies an irrational fear. Any homosexual with a fear of heteros probably arrived at it verrry rationally. And unfortunately, things like this tend to reinforce that rational fear.
I think someone already referred to Nazis, so I'm not triggering Godwin's law here, but a GLB group seeing anything like a Hetero Pride Day is like German Jews in 1930 witnessing Aryan Pride Day.
Vestril
Coronado, CA
February 2003
APR 07, 2005 04:27 PM