NEWS: Ben Kingsley Can Solve The Palestinian/Israeli Conflict

CULTURE: Ben Kingsley Can Solve The Palestinian/Israeli Conflict

The problem between the Palestinians and the Israelis can easily be solved by the American cinema. Or at least of its representation of Gandhi.

Just don’t tell anyone that there might be some political conflicts.

Something tells me this won't work.

You get that funny feeling too?


Victory.

sexy political beast? i like.

Because Muslims are bound to listen to an Indian Nationalist Hindu....

Anyone who thinks that the current plan for a Palestinian state will bring peace is deluding themselves.

Two blobs of Palestinian land separated by Israel, with ethnic cleansing of Jews and continued arguments over Jerusalem is a recipe for many more decades of conflict.

WAKE UP!

There's only two workable solutions to this whole conflict:

Solution #1) Jordan becomes democratic and is recognised as Palestinian homeland.

When Palestine was partitioned in the 1920's, the Hashemites were given governance of the part that became Trans-Jordan.

The Jews were kicked out of Trans-Jordan and many Palestinians fled the land that was soon to become Israel.

Today, around 70% of Jordanians are Palestinian.

Of course there are some cultural differences between Hashemite & Palestinian Arabs - but so what? Different tribes of Jews live happily together in Israel.

If the Palestinians can't bear the thought of living with a Hashemite monarchy, then world pressure should be brought upon Jordan to introduce democracy.

Leave Israel out of it!

Solution #2) Jordan gives the Palestinians part of Palestine back.

Palestine was never a country in its own right - but the region traditionally defined as Palestine included land in today's Israel AND TODAY'S JORDAN.

Check this out for yourself on old maps - there's 9 pages of them HERE

As a guide look for the river Jordan (it runs between the Dead Sea and the Sea of Gallilee. Palestine covered the land on the West Bank of the Jordan (today's Israel) but it also covered the East bank (today's Jordan).

Indeed, about a third of Palestine is today located in Jordan. Most maps have it stretching as far as todays Jordanian capital Amman.

Why does the world and its wife pester Israel to give the Palestinians a state? Why not pester Jordan?

Jordan contains a thid of Palestine. Most Jordanians are Palestinians and if Jordan was democratic, Jordan would be the Palestinian homeland.

Jordan campaigns as much as anyone for a Palestinian homeland - let them prove their comitment by giving the Palestinians back some of Palestine on the East Bank.

The Hashemites would still have a huge country. The Palestinians would have a larger, more secure, more consolidated homeland than that being currently planned on the West Bank & Gaza.

Also - as all of the Jews have already been kicked out, the potential for conflict would be minimised and nobody will need to be ethnically cleansed.

Despite all of this making historical, logical, social, geographic, demographic and moral common sense - it doesn't involve the Jewish state losing any land...so I guess that's why it isn't being considered!





[Edited on Apr 07, 2005 12:06AM]

I heard an interview of one of the people doing this on the radio. It's not trying to minimize the politics of the situation, which, sadly, this thread is about to careen into, but rather to promote Gandhi's message of nonviolence. More people need to be doing this, because if the Palestinians really stuck to a nonviolent method of struggle, they'd make a lot more progress than now. At least I would hope so.

They sure would. Their current strategy of deception and terrorism has been an unmitigated disaster.

As opposed to the Israeli strategy of bold-faced genocide and denials?

Genocide? The systematic elimination of an entire people? When have the Israelis done that? I deny they do anything like that. Israel could wipe most of the Arab world off the map if it wanted to. It doesn't.

Ben Kingsley can also bend steel bars with his mind.

Are you saying that Jews being killed are Jews being ethnically cleansed?

The population NOT being killed is the one that is ethnically cleansed. You wash your car, you don't wash the dirt on your car.

Are you saying that Jews being killed are Jews being ethnically cleansed?

The population NOT being killed is the one that is ethnically cleansed. You wash your car, you don't wash the dirt on your car.

Nope - I am saying that if the West Bank and Gaza become a new Palestinian State they will have to be ethnically cleansed of Jews living there.

The Nazis, the Hutus & Tutsis in Rwanda, Syria's anihilation of the town Hama, the wholesale murder of Christians by an Arab militia in the Sudan...all of these could reasonably be described as genocidal.

It's sickening and tiresome when people throw same accusation at Israel. It displays an obscene level of bias and ignorance that often goes completely unchecked.

If Israel wanted to wipe out the Arabs of Palestinian descent they wouldn't, for example, give them democracy (something BTW denied to them by most Arab countries).

Why have Palestinians been killed?

hmm...something to do with indiscriminate bombings of Israeli civilians in nightclubs & restaurants perhaps?

Contrary to the expectations of blinkered Western Palestinian propagandists, Israel had no intention of rolling over taking it up the arse from terrorist groups like Hamas.



[Edited on Apr 07, 2005 4:11AM]

I'd still like to know where the hundreds of billions Yasser Assfat raised for the "palistinian people" went. All the money that old fucker raised, he could've bought a palistinian state.

Hopefully this peacefull resitance movment will pay off.

And how can Israel wipe out the Arab world? They have never confirmed they have nuclear weapons. They are SUSPECTED of having them. Which means if they don't they could be squashed if the Arabs kicked themselves into gear. They only survived the 6 day war through U.S. aid. The whole reason Israel exists today is because of U.S. aid.

Albion,

You should really stop talking bullshit about things you clearly know very little.

Firstly, blaming the Tutsi's for standing their and allowing themselves to be the voctims of the Rwandan Genicide makes you either incredibly evil, or incredibly ignorant.

Secondly,
From the river to the Sea there is an equal Number of Jews and Palestinians. Within 5 years, unless there is another influx of jews as at the break-up of the Soviet union, there will be a Palestinian Majority.

Suggesting that they fuck off to a completely other Country is Ethnic Cleansing and is a War Crime, and generally accepted as an Evil practice.

ghandi was the fucking man.


i hope this movie translation can help to introduce his teachings to many palestinians and israelis who have never been exposed.

...or maybe I was just thinking about the 200,000 or so Hutu victims of Tutsi genocide in Burundi

whatever

the point (which seems to have sailed miles above your head) still stands - Israel is in no way shape or form guilty of any kind of "genocide"

...just as Israel isn't like "the Nazis" or "apartheit South Africa" or any of the other shit-for-brains ludicrous accusations that are flung against the country by ignorant Trots anxious to adopt a "victim".

Wow - scary.

Israel better hurry up and be as democratic as Jordan, Egypt and Syria.

sheesh - okay after the new Palestinian homeland is created on traditionally Palestinian land in Jordan, I'm not exactly sure any refugees will actually WANT to stay in rat infested former refugee camps.

If any do, then Israel has no obligation to give citizenship to ex-refugees.

Of course, not all Arabs in Gaza, Judea and Samaria are refugees. Many have traditional family roots in those areas. Even though these people are currently Jordanian citizens, when Gaza, Judea and Samaria are formally returned to Israel these people should of course be offered Israeli citizenship and allowed to stay.



[Edited on Apr 07, 2005 by Albion]