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Deux

Oak Grove, KY
January 2003

APR 03, 2005 03:13 PM

(Partially borrowed from another forum I post at - this topic was too good not to share)

1. Will Smith as Neo in The Matrix
The role went to: Keanu Reeves

Smith turned it down and opted for Wild Wild West instead. Good or bad decision?

2. Jack Nicholson as Michael Corleone in The Godfather
The role went to: Al Pacino

Warren Beatty, Robert Redford, Ryan O'Neal, and Dustin Hoffman, were all offered the role as well, but they all declined. Good or bad decision for the decliners?

3. Robert Redford as Benjamin Braddock in The Graduate
The role went to: Dustin Hoffman

Actually Redford didn't turn it down but it was mutually agreed he was too cool to play the geeky role. Good or bad choice for the director?

4. Bill Murray as the title character in Forrest Gump
The role went to: Tom Hanks

Good or bad choice by the Directors?

5. Leonardo DiCaprio as Peter Parker in Spider-Man
The role went to: Tobey Maguire

Freddie Prinze Jr. was also briefly considered for the role. Good or bad choice by Directors?

6. Emma Thompson as Catherine Tramell in Basic Instinct
The role went to: Sharon Stone

Thompson backed out after getting the role and instead did Howards end. Others auditioning for the role were Kim Basinger, Kelly Lynch, Michelle Pfeiffer, Mariel Hemingway, Lena Olin, Kelly McGillis, and Greta Scacchi. Good or bad choice by the director? Good or bad choice by Emma Thompson?


7. Christopher Walken as Han Solo in Star Wars
The role went to: Harrison Ford

Kurt Russell and Nick Nolte were also considered for the role. Lucas did not want to put any characters he had worked with in any other movie in Star Wars thus he offered the role to all the others before settling on Ford. Good or bad choice to turn the role down by those above?

8. Tom Selleck as Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark
The role went to: Harrison Ford

Magnum PI commitments meant Selleck had to turn this role down only to then have an actors strike in TV give him the free time to do it but alas it was already cast. Good or bad move by Selleck?

9. Cary Grant as James Bond in Dr. No
The role went to: Sean Connery

The role was based largely on Cary Grant, who was best friends with producer Albert R. "Cubby" Broccoli. Although Cary agreed to do Dr. No, he would not commit to the sequels which were already in planning. Without that commitment they had to pass him over. David Niven, Roger Moore, Trevor Howard, and Rex Harrison were all also considered. Good choice Grant? Good choice directors to choose Connery over others?

10. Michelle Pfifer as Clarice Starling in Silence of the Lambs
The role went to: Jodie Foster

It was Pfifer's role to refuse before pre-production even started. When she did, Jodie Foster stepped in. Good decision on Pfifer's part, or bad?

11. Jeanne Garafalo as Bethany Sloane in Dogma
The role went to: Linda Fiorentino

Garafalo still had a (very minor) part in the movie, but Fiorentino got the lead. Director Smith himself has said that if he had to cast and film the movie over again, Garafalo would have gotten the part (citing dificulties with directing Fiorentino and her primadonna attitude). Good call on Fiorentino?

12. Eric Stoltz as Marty McFly in Back to the Future
The role went to: Michael J. Fox

Stoltz actually shot several scenes before being ejected from the role by director Robert Zemekis and replaced by Fox. Good call by Zemekis?

13. Tom Hanks as the title role in Jerry Maguire
The role went to: Tom Cruise

The script was actually written with Hanks in mind. Hanks turned it down after reading the final script, and Cruise was cast in his stead. Good call by Hanks?

14. John Wayne as the title character in Dirty Harry
The role went to: Clint Eastwood

Frank Sinatra (I kid you not) and Paul Newman also turned down the role. With reluctane (!) the director cast Eastwood in the part. Would Wayne, Newman or Sinatra have made your day, punk?


15. Julia Roberts as Mary Corleone in The Godfather Part III
The role went to: Sofia Coppola

Actually, the role went to Winona Ryder. But Ryder backed out of the role, citing exhaustion. Desperate for someone to play the part, Sofia's daddy handed her the role, much to the viewing audiences shagrin. Good call by Coppola? (I think we all know the answer to this one...)


16. Ronald Regan as Rick Blaine in Casablanca
The role went to: Humphrey Bogart

Regan turned down the role. I suppose he was too conent with his work on Bedtime for Bonzo. Good call by The Gipper?


17. Telly Savalas as Gen. George S. Patton in Patton
The role went to: George C. Scott

Content with how his career was going, Savalas passed. Did Kojak screw up?


18. Al Pacino as John Rambo in First Blood
The role went to: Sylvester Stalone

For reasons that are unclear, Pacino passed on the part. Good call on his part?


9. Christopher Walken as Count Dooku in Star Wars: Episode II
The role went to: Christopher Lee

Lucas snubbed Walken (again!) in favor of Saruman. Good call by Lucas?

[Edited on Apr 03, 2005 by Krash]

Kirin_Ka

Kirin_Ka

USA
September 2004

APR 03, 2005 04:30 PM

Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

APR 03, 2005 04:41 PM

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



Couldn't agree more.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

APR 03, 2005 04:57 PM

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



And Christopher Lee isn't?

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

APR 03, 2005 04:59 PM

The one that comes first off the top of my head is David Bowie as Elrond in The Lord of the Rings. Supposedly, Peter Jackson thought people would only look at him and think "That's David Bowie." instead of the character, but, um, all I could think of when I looked at the guy he picked was "That's Agent Elrond."

Kirin_Ka

Kirin_Ka

USA
September 2004

APR 03, 2005 05:03 PM

Keith said:
The one that comes first off the top of my head is David Bowie as Elrond in The Lord of the Rings. Supposedly, Peter Jackson thought people would only look at him and think "That's David Bowie." instead of the character, but, um, all I could think of when I looked at the guy he picked was "That's Agent Elrond."


Me too! But I thought Agent Smith....or Mitzi Del Bra.

Kirin_Ka

Kirin_Ka

USA
September 2004

APR 03, 2005 05:05 PM

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



And Christopher Lee isn't?


Nope. Some how Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L Jackson flew under the radar, but Lucas gave them one direction, "Act not so good."

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

APR 03, 2005 05:09 PM

JohnnyHomicide said:

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



And Christopher Lee isn't?


Nope. Some how Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L Jackson flew under the radar, but Lucas gave them one direction, "Act not so good."



Also Sir Alec Guinness, James Earl Jones, etc?

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 03, 2005 05:14 PM

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



And Christopher Lee isn't?


Nope. Some how Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L Jackson flew under the radar, but Lucas gave them one direction, "Act not so good."



Also Sir Alec Guinness, James Earl Jones, etc?



Was James Earl Jones really a known actor at that point? I remember hearing an interview with him where he was saying that his voice was put in afterwards because Lucas didn't like the original voice. So James only got paid as a special effect (not very much), not as an actor.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

APR 03, 2005 05:17 PM

MrStitches said:

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



And Christopher Lee isn't?


Nope. Some how Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L Jackson flew under the radar, but Lucas gave them one direction, "Act not so good."



Also Sir Alec Guinness, James Earl Jones, etc?



Was James Earl Jones really a known actor at that point? I remember hearing an interview with him where he was saying that his voice was put in afterwards because Lucas didn't like the original voice. So James only got paid as a special effect (not very much), not as an actor.



James Earl Jones was already a legend as a stage actor at that point, but the point wasn't that Lucas doesn't pick famous people, but that he only picks bad actors. Jones clearly is not a bad actor.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

APR 03, 2005 05:17 PM


2. Jack Nicholson as Michael Corleone in The Godfather
The role went to: Al Pacino

I really don't think Jack Nicholson would have been very good in this role, so it's a good decision by all.

3. Robert Redford as Benjamin Braddock in The Graduate
The role went to: Dustin Hoffman

Redford is definitely way too cool.

4. Bill Murray as the title character in Forrest Gump
The role went to: Tom Hanks

Bill Murray is one of my favorite people ever and I would not want to see him in this role. It is perfect for Hanks though.


6. Emma Thompson as Catherine Tramell in Basic Instinct
The role went to: Sharon Stone

Emma Thompson made a good choice by being in the acclaimed Howards End. I would have liked to have seen Kim Basinger in this role though.


7. Christopher Walken as Han Solo in Star Wars
The role went to: Harrison Ford

I think Harrison Ford is perfect in this role although Kurt Russell would be good too. Christopher Walken? No thanks.


8. Tom Selleck as Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark
The role went to: Harrison Ford

I hate Tom Selleck. I'm glad he was screwed out of one of the coolest movies ever.


11. Jeanne Garafalo as Bethany Sloane in Dogma
The role went to: Linda Fiorentino

Garafalo would have been much better.

14. John Wayne as the title character in Dirty Harry
The role went to: Clint Eastwood

I could see Frank Sinatra maybe, although he's a bit too much of a tuxedo wearer. But John Wayne? Paul Newman? Way too nice seeming. Clint Eastwood is an excellent antihero.


17. Telly Savalas as Gen. George S. Patton in Patton
The role went to: George C. Scott

Does George C. Scott have a nationally recognized catch phrase? Or lollipops?


18. Al Pacino as John Rambo in First Blood
The role went to: Sylvester Stalone

Pacino does not have a Rambo in him.

[Edited on Apr 03, 2005 by Thistle]

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 03, 2005 05:18 PM

Keith said:

MrStitches said:

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:

Keith said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



And Christopher Lee isn't?


Nope. Some how Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L Jackson flew under the radar, but Lucas gave them one direction, "Act not so good."



Also Sir Alec Guinness, James Earl Jones, etc?



Was James Earl Jones really a known actor at that point? I remember hearing an interview with him where he was saying that his voice was put in afterwards because Lucas didn't like the original voice. So James only got paid as a special effect (not very much), not as an actor.



James Earl Jones was already a legend as a stage actor at that point, but the point wasn't that Lucas doesn't pick famous people, but that he only picks bad actors. Jones clearly is not a bad actor.



Ok, that makes sense then.
James earl jones is cool. . .

Deux

Deux

Oak Grove, KY
January 2003

APR 03, 2005 06:14 PM

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



True. But can you imagine how much more cool Star Wars would have been with Walken playing Solo?

"You've... never heard... of the Millenium Falcon? She's the ship... that made the Kessel run... in under 4 parsecs."

biggrin

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

APR 03, 2005 06:36 PM

Krash said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



True. But can you imagine how much more cool Star Wars would have been with Walken playing Solo?

"You've... never heard... of the Millenium Falcon? She's the ship... that made the Kessel run... in under 4 parsecs."

biggrin


"But... 'droids don't... rip people's... arms off."

Edit: better emphasis
biggrin



[Edited on Apr 03, 2005 by skeptik]

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

APR 03, 2005 06:41 PM

"That's no moon... that's a ...space station."


"Goodnight... moon?"

scarydoll

scarydoll

Trenton, NJ
January 2004

APR 03, 2005 06:46 PM

Keith said:
The one that comes first off the top of my head is David Bowie as Elrond in The Lord of the Rings. Supposedly, Peter Jackson thought people would only look at him and think "That's David Bowie." instead of the character, but, um, all I could think of when I looked at the guy he picked was "That's Agent Elrond."




Every time he spoke, i was expecting to hear him say, "Mr. Anderson." biggrin

meta

meta

Saint Paul, MN
March 2005

APR 03, 2005 06:49 PM

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



wuh? he's awesome, yes. but he's been in things like Gigli, Kangaroo Jack, Joe Dirt...

scarydoll

scarydoll

Trenton, NJ
January 2004

APR 03, 2005 06:50 PM

berserkly_gnat said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



wuh? he's awesome, yes. but he's been in things like Gigli, Kangaroo Jack, Joe Dirt...




And that Mouse Trap movie with Nathan Lane. eeek

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

APR 03, 2005 07:17 PM

I think of Christopher Walken as one of the world's most versatile B+ movie actors. He tends to be in a lot of movies that aren't neccesarily bad, but have a high camp factor.

MissMontana

MissMontana

HOPEFUL

New Castle, DE

APR 04, 2005 01:07 PM

berserkly_gnat said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



wuh? he's awesome, yes. but he's been in things like Gigli, Kangaroo Jack, Joe Dirt...




I really liked Joe Dirt.... blush

Meaney

meaney

Chicago, IL
September 2003

APR 04, 2005 01:27 PM

InYourDreams said:


I really liked Joe Dirt.... blush



one of my favorite hangover movies.

kurt russel coulda done han solo.

and... this thread is neat.

beckricci

beckricci

Spring, TX
December 2004

APR 04, 2005 03:00 PM

skeptik said:

Krash said:

JohnnyHomicide said:
Christopher Walken? He is too good of an actor to be in a Star Wars movie.



True. But can you imagine how much more cool Star Wars would have been with Walken playing Solo?

"You've... never heard... of the Millenium Falcon? She's the ship... that made the Kessel run... in under 4 parsecs."

biggrin


"But... 'droids don't... rip people's... arms off."

Edit: better emphasis
biggrin



[Edited on Apr 03, 2005 by skeptik]



Has anyone seen Kevin Spacy's impersonation of Walken as Han Solo on SNL?

Deux

Deux

Oak Grove, KY
January 2003

APR 04, 2005 03:42 PM

beckricci said:
Has anyone seen Kevin Spacy's impersonation of Walken as Han Solo on SNL?



Yes, I have. It was the funniest thing on SNL in a good ten years. biggrin

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

APR 04, 2005 03:46 PM

Lenoardo di Caprio has courted and turned down at least double the roles he's actually taken.

Ahriman

Ahriman

North York, ON
February 2003

APR 04, 2005 03:56 PM

How bout the ultimate casting decision.

Instead of Arnie, producers thought about casting a different Terminator...

... O.J. Simpson

Apparently they chose Arnold cause they didn't think O.J. would be a believable bad guy. surreal

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