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SquidProQuo

SquidProQuo

Horsham, PA
April 2004

APR 02, 2005 01:40 PM

After a lengthy battle with various maladies, Pope John Paul II, leader of the Catholic Church, has passed away at the age of 84.

"The Holy Father is deceased this evening at 9:37 in his private apartment," Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said in a written statement.

"Our beloved Holy Father John Paul II has returned to his home. Let us pray for him."

[...]

Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's secretary of state, asked the throng of thousands of faithful who had congregated in St. Peter's Square for a few moments of silence as he announced the death. People in the crowd bowed their heads to pray, some of them in tears.

Pope John Paul II's 26 years of service was considered "revolutionary conservative", radically reforming the Church's stance on issues such as abortion and homosexuality.

He played a key role in the fall of communism and brought the Catholic message in person to an unprecedented number of people.

[...]

Despite criticism, he remained unwavering on those and other stances, including his preference for centralized authority within the church, which some saw as hindering a move toward a more democratic church.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

APR 02, 2005 01:52 PM

gee what a drama, old man passes away.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

APR 02, 2005 01:54 PM

i can't wait to see what kind of radical yahoo they replace him with.

oh, and yay.

Cyberbrak

Cyberbrak

Two Rivers, WI
September 2004

APR 02, 2005 01:59 PM

Ding, dong, the pope is dead...

JonnyJonnyH

JonnyJonnyH

Seattle, WA
June 2003

APR 02, 2005 02:00 PM

When I was a junior in high school I got the day of from school because his popemobile route closed the street my school was on.

I'm not catholic, so I don't have any memories or real exposure to him, but I was thankful to have the day off from school. Thanks for that. smile

Clairevoyance

Clairevoyance

Tallahassee, FL
July 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:10 PM

I'm not Catholic but I certainly respect those who are and the passing of their religious leader...so I think the comments above are pretty disrespectful. Have a heart.

RandomNerd

RandomNerd

I'm lost
January 2005

APR 02, 2005 02:14 PM

I used to be a practicing Catholic, I hate religion these days... but I can't say this makes me happy.

*Shrug* Requisat In Pacem.


MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:20 PM

Xixax said:

Snottlebocket said:
gee what a drama, old man passes away.



mrcrisp said:
i can't wait to see what kind of radical yahoo they replace him with.

oh, and yay.



Cyberbrak said:
Ding, dong, the pope is dead...




Wow, what a way to be compassionate to a lot of people that have just lost a spiritual leader.



not everyone's catholic. wink plus, it was his time. poor guy couldn't even finish his sentences without collapsing. have some compassion and tell me that you didn't want him to keep doing that. what's so bad about wanting a old guy near death to finally pass away peacefully? you can't keep everyone alive.
but then, no matter if he's a relgious leader, i still don't agree with his views, and that "lot of people" haven't been very compassionate to the dead and dying people who his views and teachings spoke against. want some compassion? give some compassion.
i gave up being a catholic years ago, but that doesn't make me a bad person.

[Edited on Apr 02, 2005 2:22PM]

totem2

totem2

Italy
December 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:22 PM

doesnt matter if ure catholic or not but
a great man (or just a man if u want, but still a man) passed away and a little bit of respect wouldnt be bad...
better not saying anything than writing stupid comments...

bpatrick

bpatrick

Tampa, FL
March 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:23 PM

I'm not Catholic but the Pope was
a voice for the oppressed worldwide
(coming from a captive nation himself).
He also was a campaigner for human
rights and dignity worldwide, and made
the first ever papal apology for the
Catholic Church's mistreatment of
certain peoples.
All in all, not a bad life.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:28 PM

"We will always remember the humble, wise and fearless priest who became one of history's great moral leaders," President Bush said.

hopefully that sullies your day.

i'm sorry, anyone who can't acknowledge the fact that homosexuality is not evil and sin, that a woman's abortion isn't everyone's business, or that morality isn't something that should be shoved in everyone's faces is an ass, no matter their status.

comicking

comicking

Rosemount, MN
May 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:30 PM

Its about time he passed. Parkinsons is not enjoyable. I wonder how my brother is taking this, he shook hands with him in the mid-eighties once.

Now (maybe) the media circus can move on to other things.

ninetysevencents

ninetysevencents

Rochester, NY
August 2003

APR 02, 2005 02:34 PM

Wow, how totally weak-mided and insecure do you have to be to make fun of a recently deceased person?

see various posts above

I, for one, am pleased by this news only because his illness and suffering has ended. I hope that he reached the spiritual level that he wished to achieve.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:37 PM

Xixax said:

mrcrisp said:

Xixax said:

mrcrisp said:
i can't wait to see what kind of radical yahoo they replace him with.

oh, and yay.



Wow, what a way to be compassionate to a lot of people that have just lost a spiritual leader.



not everyone's catholic. wink plus, it was his time. poor guy couldn't even finish his sentences without collapsing. have some compassion and tell me that you didn't want him to keep doing that. what's so bad about wanting a old guy near death to finally pass away peacefully? you can't keep everyone alive.
but then, no matter if he's a relgious leader, i still don't agree with his views, and that "lot of people" haven't been very compassionate to the dead and dying people who his views and teachings spoke against. want some compassion? give some compassion.
i gave up being a catholic years ago, but that doesn't make me a bad person.

[Edited on Apr 02, 2005 2:22PM]



It's true, not everybody is Catholic. In fact, I'm Buddhist.

I don't think that it is wrong to want him to go ahead and pass. In fact, my mother and I had this comnversation last night. Basically we both agreed that he had a long full life. He was old and sick. I wanted him to pass so he could be out of any discomfort that he may have been in.

Like many people, I didn't agree with a lot of his views. But I do respect that he meant a great deal to A LOT of people.

My point was that I felt your first post was a little callous. But I do thank you for clairfying it a bit with your response.



well, i am a callous douchebag, no denying that. yeah, i acknowledge that this isn't going down too well with a lot of people. that doesn't immediately mean that i have to kiss the guy's ass. okay, so i feel sorry for all the mourners and the fans, but i didn't like the guy. i'm glad that his suffering was over, i hate to see anyone go through that. it's not like i'm dancing because he's dead or anything.

Holy_Mountain

Holy_Mountain

West Palm Beach, FL
February 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:38 PM

As much as I dislike organized religion, it's sad to see anyone pass away.

Cyberbrak

Cyberbrak

Two Rivers, WI
September 2004

APR 02, 2005 02:54 PM

totem2 said:
doesnt matter if ure catholic or not but
a great man (or just a man if u want, but still a man) passed away and a little bit of respect wouldnt be bad...
better not saying anything than writing stupid comments...



Why am I so "heartless"? I'm not! I do have a heart, and a rather big one at that. Death is sad, but if there's any person's death that has lightness, it's the Pope. Because if he's right, not only is it good for him (he's going to heaven), but he must have been happy to go. If there's a god and his beliefs apply, he's a lucky man. Nobody alive has been as promised a seat in heaven as he is. If his beliefs are correct.

And even if he's wrong, I'm sure he thought he was going to heaven, so he died happy.

Me? I dislike organized religion, perhaps lothe it.. but I have resopect for life, no arguements, since I think that it's all we have. The guy was 84; people die, and that's life. But he died happy, lucky and ready.

So what's the problem?

hotcurry

hotcurry

Los Angeles, CA
June 2004

APR 02, 2005 03:17 PM

It's true that the Pope and Catholicism as a whole had/have a long way to go in terms of accepting and loving all peoples. But that is one of the things that is being discussed now before the Cardinals meet to decide the next Pope. Many seem to agree that they need a younger person who will change with the times and be more open to new ideas. The catholic church may be exceedingly slow, but it is not completely closed off to change. It has changed over the thousands of years it has been in existance, be it at a snails pace, but it has changed. There are talks about things such as giving women more power in the church. Hopefully their stance on gays, women and birth-control will catch up a bit with the times.

That said, this Pope was the first to visit a Mosque, the first to pray at the wailing wall in Jerusalem, he opened the doors between religions and tried to teach acceptance and love to people regardless of beliefs. His last years were a very difficult time which saw the Catholic church burried in scandal as he himself no doubt suffered the severe pains of Parkinsons and old age.

I know a lot of you seem to LOVE to tear apart the Catholic church and it's bevy of flaws, but this was a man that stood for love and forgiveness. He suffered greatly in the last few years. Lord knows, I am not in mass every Sunday, but I still have a great deal of respect for this man who dedicated his life to something noble that he believed in so strongly. I'm not standing in judgement of anyone religious beliefs or lack thereof, but I beg you to have a little respect for the dead.

Sorry this was so long winded.

WonderWaffles

WonderWaffles

New York, NY
March 2005

APR 02, 2005 03:28 PM


It's true that the Pope and Catholicism as a whole had/have a long way to go in terms of accepting and loving all peoples.



No farther than everyone else on the entire face of the planet, really...

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

APR 02, 2005 03:34 PM

I'm not Catholic, nor religious at all for that matter. And I certainly didn't agree with the Pope on all social issues, but there is no denying his contributions to humanity. He aided the end of communism, reached out to other religions, helped avert a war between Chile and Argentina, was a champion for the poor, spoke out against George's Iraq war, wasn't afraid to admit when the church was wrong, and did countless other things. He deserves to be (and no doubt will be) canonized. He was terribly ill, so this is probably a relief to him. And despite my contrasting opinions with him on religion and many social issues, I still think of him as a wonderful man, and can't help but be saddened by this. God (or the Universe or whatever) bless him.

WonderWaffles

WonderWaffles

New York, NY
March 2005

APR 02, 2005 03:55 PM


He deserves to be (and no doubt will be) canonized



Canonization has much more esoteric requirements than simply being awesome. You have to have SUPER POWERS OF JESUS, too.

JohnClement

JohnClement

Silver Spring, MD
January 2004

APR 02, 2005 04:11 PM

AscendantFenix said:


He deserves to be (and no doubt will be) canonized



Canonization has much more esoteric requirements than simply being awesome. You have to have SUPER POWERS OF JESUS, too.



He did help Reagan look like a hero. That's one miracle, only one to go.

Rest in peace, Karol. Some of what you stood for disgusts me, but you were a good man.

mcwilly

mcwilly

Canada
October 2004

APR 02, 2005 04:11 PM

cjensen
He also was a campaigner for human
rights and dignity worldwide



While at the same time persecuting homosexuals...

Trahern

Trahern

United Kingdom
March 2003

APR 02, 2005 04:36 PM

Here's hoping the next pope declassifies the gospel of Christ.

hermetica

hermetica

Cook Islands
January 2004

APR 02, 2005 04:43 PM

Well.. looks like its old man testicle inspection time again.


Yeah. Its Papal trivia, whaddya want..



biggrin

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

APR 02, 2005 04:48 PM

hotcurry said:
It's true that the Pope and Catholicism as a whole had/have a long way to go in terms of accepting and loving all peoples. But that is one of the things that is being discussed now before the Cardinals meet to decide the next Pope. Many seem to agree that they need a younger person who will change with the times and be more open to new ideas. The catholic church may be exceedingly slow, but it is not completely closed off to change. It has changed over the thousands of years it has been in existance, be it at a snails pace, but it has changed. There are talks about things such as giving women more power in the church. Hopefully their stance on gays, women and birth-control will catch up a bit with the times.

That said, this Pope was the first to visit a Mosque, the first to pray at the wailing wall in Jerusalem, he opened the doors between religions and tried to teach acceptance and love to people regardless of beliefs. His last years were a very difficult time which saw the Catholic church burried in scandal as he himself no doubt suffered the severe pains of Parkinsons and old age.

I know a lot of you seem to LOVE to tear apart the Catholic church and it's bevy of flaws, but this was a man that stood for love and forgiveness. He suffered greatly in the last few years. Lord knows, I am not in mass every Sunday, but I still have a great deal of respect for this man who dedicated his life to something noble that he believed in so strongly. I'm not standing in judgement of anyone religious beliefs or lack thereof, but I beg you to have a little respect for the dead.

Sorry this was so long winded.



Thank you for being long-winded. smile

Requiam aeternam dona eis, Domine;
Et Lux Perpetua luceat eis.

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