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Rabidnid

Rabidnid

Australia
May 2004

MAR 25, 2005 07:17 PM

Koleeta said:

edgemontave said:
hello ... did you guys see the movie .... clearly we are on our way to being eaten ... i dont think real life dinosaurs are as user freindly as the flintstones portray



seriously! have we learned NOTHING from the movies?! DINOSAURS ARE ASSHOLES!



Dinosaur and an asshole, does that make them Republican???

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

MAR 26, 2005 12:33 PM

louys said:

maurauder said:

There's a lot more to radiometric dating than carbon-14. Read this. smile



Can I just say... this guy belongs in the Luxuriant Flowing Hair Club for Scientists™.





That's even better than
Mullets Galore. I especially like the guy who performs in a death metal band in his spare time.

heh-heh, Scientists Rock.

seanvegas

seanvegas

Lincoln, NE
December 2004

MAR 26, 2005 12:47 PM

So this is how you make dinosaurs?
No, this is how you play God!

I'm a bit excited about this!

jennytruant

jennytruant

Costa Mesa, CA
February 2005

MAR 27, 2005 04:51 AM

There's a creationist theme park in Florida. Bring your bible verses and practice stone the scientists...

Anx

Anx

Australia
February 2005

MAR 27, 2005 06:49 AM

Be funny if it was just a dogs bone and some scientist was trying to get a cack outta life. hmm.. bring on the T-REX baby!!! tongue

Mythicus

Mythicus

Lawnside, NJ
May 2004

MAR 27, 2005 07:52 AM

maurauder said:

Dejajeva said:
Can I just have one of Jeff Golblum?





[Edited on Mar 25, 2005 by maurauder]



i was hoping someone would post that picture.

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

MAR 27, 2005 08:16 AM

I wish to have a triceratops for my very own trusty steed.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

MAR 27, 2005 11:24 PM

maurauder said:

Dejajeva said:
Can I just have one of Jeff Golblum?





[Edited on Mar 25, 2005 by maurauder]



Must go faster. Must ... Go ... Faster !!

wink

Tekky

Tekky

SUICIDEGIRL

Ontario, Canada

MAR 28, 2005 02:05 AM

ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME????

im going to be excited as shit until they actually pull it off and we all die.

JohnFM1

JohnFM1

United Kingdom
May 2004

MAR 29, 2005 12:42 AM

DarthSmurf said:
Chance of finding enough dinosaur DNA to EVER clone one?

0%

DNA just degrades too fast. The stuff is WAY too fragile... even exposure to water will destroy it. The only reason the water in living tissue doesn't fuck up DNA is due to the self-repair mechanisms in living cells. The whole "dino blood from an insect in amber" bit is also bogus... even if the bug was encased in the amber immediately after filling up on dino blood, the bug's digestive tract enzymes & bacteria will still keep going for a while even after the bug has snuffed it. Bye bye DNA.

ANother myth I saw referenced in one of the above links is the "replacement" of the bone structure in fossilized bones by minerals. That's a VERY old myth that's been accepted as "fact" for far too long. A fossilized bone still has a good portion of the original bone present. The bone has had all its miscroscopic cracks, crevices & pores filled with silica or other minerals leaching out of the groundwater. That's why researchers are able to perform histological studies on dinosaur bone structure... it's still the original material, at least on that scale. It's only when you get down to the molecular level that things get screwed up by millions of years of decay & so on.

(In some cases, after a bone has been encased in rock, acidic groundwater can get in and dissolve the bone away completely. The resulting empty space in the surrounding rick can then be filled by other minerals. This is not true fossilization, but rather replacement. What you find in this case would not be a fossilized bone, but crystallized minerals in the gross physical shape of the original bone.)

OK, Dino Geek Mode DEACTIVATE! biggrin



If the DNA dries out quickly enough, fragments would probably stay fairly intact.
Of course that depends on them being protected from bacteria or anything else that might want to eat them.
The chances of large pieces of DNA remaining are practically 0% though.

Since cloning technology at the moment is based on nuclear transfer, we'd need entire cells to stay intact, not just bits of DNA, and that just ain't gonna happen until we find a frozen dinosaur somewhere.

However, fragments of DNA would still be interesting.

2low

2low

Etobicoke, ON
February 2005

MAR 29, 2005 02:06 AM

JohnFM1 said:

DarthSmurf said:
Chance of finding enough dinosaur DNA to EVER clone one?

0%

DNA just degrades too fast. The stuff is WAY too fragile... even exposure to water will destroy it. The only reason the water in living tissue doesn't fuck up DNA is due to the self-repair mechanisms in living cells. The whole "dino blood from an insect in amber" bit is also bogus... even if the bug was encased in the amber immediately after filling up on dino blood, the bug's digestive tract enzymes & bacteria will still keep going for a while even after the bug has snuffed it. Bye bye DNA.

ANother myth I saw referenced in one of the above links is the "replacement" of the bone structure in fossilized bones by minerals. That's a VERY old myth that's been accepted as "fact" for far too long. A fossilized bone still has a good portion of the original bone present. The bone has had all its miscroscopic cracks, crevices & pores filled with silica or other minerals leaching out of the groundwater. That's why researchers are able to perform histological studies on dinosaur bone structure... it's still the original material, at least on that scale. It's only when you get down to the molecular level that things get screwed up by millions of years of decay & so on.

(In some cases, after a bone has been encased in rock, acidic groundwater can get in and dissolve the bone away completely. The resulting empty space in the surrounding rick can then be filled by other minerals. This is not true fossilization, but rather replacement. What you find in this case would not be a fossilized bone, but crystallized minerals in the gross physical shape of the original bone.)

OK, Dino Geek Mode DEACTIVATE! biggrin



If the DNA dries out quickly enough, fragments would probably stay fairly intact.
Of course that depends on them being protected from bacteria or anything else that might want to eat them.
The chances of large pieces of DNA remaining are practically 0% though.

Since cloning technology at the moment is based on nuclear transfer, we'd need entire cells to stay intact, not just bits of DNA, and that just ain't gonna happen until we find a frozen dinosaur somewhere.

However, fragments of DNA would still be interesting.



whooly mamoth anyone? we have about 3 intact whoolies i say we need more whoolies NOW!!! i wanna whoolie dont you?

JohnFM1

JohnFM1

United Kingdom
May 2004

MAR 29, 2005 04:39 AM

People are trying with the mammoths...I think they planned to use elephant eggs for the cloning, which presents enough problems on its own.
Dolly the sheep took about 230 tries - I cant imagine anyone really wanting to go through that many female elephants - or waiting a couple of years only for them to turn out to be full of birth defects!

The main problem though is that none of the mammoths found so far have been particularly well preserved....

Maybe, just maybe it'll happen. But then what would we do with them? Their natural habitat is pretty much all gone now. And even if it wasnt, who'd wanna travel to the Russian steppes to see some big hairy elephants?

Onibubba

Onibubba

Hopkinsville, KY
October 2004

MAR 29, 2005 10:38 AM

JohnFM1 Maybe, just maybe it'll happen. But then what would we do with them? Their natural habitat is pretty much all gone now. And even if it wasnt, who'd wanna travel to the Russian steppes to see some big hairy elephants?



Bonsai Mammoths (TM) - Better than pot bellied pigs.

DarthSmurf

DarthSmurf

Saint Petersburg, FL
December 2003

MAR 29, 2005 12:37 PM

JohnFM1 said:
People are trying with the mammoths...I think they planned to use elephant eggs for the cloning, which presents enough problems on its own.
Dolly the sheep took about 230 tries - I cant imagine anyone really wanting to go through that many female elephants - or waiting a couple of years only for them to turn out to be full of birth defects!

The main problem though is that none of the mammoths found so far have been particularly well preserved....

Maybe, just maybe it'll happen. But then what would we do with them? Their natural habitat is pretty much all gone now. And even if it wasnt, who'd wanna travel to the Russian steppes to see some big hairy elephants?



Not to mention the fact that elephants are social animals... I wonder if the elephant mothers would care for the mammoth hybrid clones, or if the animal would be different enough that the mother would reject it? If the latter occurs, it's possible that other elephants would also shun the hybrid, leading to a load of rather unpleasant issues.

JohnFM1

JohnFM1

United Kingdom
May 2004

MAR 31, 2005 11:45 PM

DarthSmurf said:

JohnFM1 said:
People are trying with the mammoths...I think they planned to use elephant eggs for the cloning, which presents enough problems on its own.
Dolly the sheep took about 230 tries - I cant imagine anyone really wanting to go through that many female elephants - or waiting a couple of years only for them to turn out to be full of birth defects!

The main problem though is that none of the mammoths found so far have been particularly well preserved....

Maybe, just maybe it'll happen. But then what would we do with them? Their natural habitat is pretty much all gone now. And even if it wasnt, who'd wanna travel to the Russian steppes to see some big hairy elephants?



Not to mention the fact that elephants are social animals... I wonder if the elephant mothers would care for the mammoth hybrid clones, or if the animal would be different enough that the mother would reject it? If the latter occurs, it's possible that other elephants would also shun the hybrid, leading to a load of rather unpleasant issues.



Along with the social aspect comes the educational aspect. A lot of what elephants know is learned from their elders in the herd...a single mammoth would probably starve to death or die of dehydration.

God knows what a cloned T. rex would do...hunt lettuce?

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