Ninja or Samurai

oh crap.

Someone raised the valid point of Samurai having to sleep. And Ninjas are more skilled than anyone at killing people who are asleep.

But another point to consider: Samurai were completely allowed to pee on peasants. The Ninja, after being peed on (being mostly from peasant stock), might win later on, after the Samurai has gone to sleep, but the ninja will forever have to live with the knowledge that he was peed on.

His honor will be forever soiled.

No one ever expects...

Or maybe we could send a Roman Legion complete with Pilum up against an equal number of Samurai. That would be a good match up that's for sure. Bamboo armor against armor piercing javelins. What more could you want? I still say the Mongols would win though.

SAMURAI!!!

(like me )





edited to add that my style of Jitsu is inspired by the Samurais from medieval Japan; it's proven that our skills were far stronger than those of the ninjas.

[Edited on Mar 20, 2005 by Dicey]

Shhh fighting upsets the 3 armed robotic samurai mummy pirate viking ninja vampire jedi hitler king of the jungle, equiped with cape, seal club mp5 machine gun and lightsaber with removable, fully posable parot with krang brain and laser vision.

Run while you can, if he catches us together... I don't know what he'll do, he's crazy!

Good Ninja don't duel. Not unless cornered and even then their likely to 'cheat'.

That said. in a strict duel, Most ninja would die in a 1 on 1 swordfight against a well trained samurai, either that or auchi, mutual slaying.

Good samurai weren't that far removed from the combat styles of the ninja.

Historically, All of japans unarmed martial arts came from china originally. Chin Na would probably be the closest modern equivolent of the style that came over, though much less refined than it is today. When it came over between 400-700 ad, it spread around and was changed, diluted, refined and reformed again. you ended up with the unarmed arts of the ninja and samurai, The samurai went in for more of the heavy hitting armored one shot one kill sort of combat. They were soldiers, willing to die for their lord, their armor handled their defense. Ninja, while they some times wore armor, they weren't meant to be front line fighters, they were the type that needed to know how to protect themselves and get away, or surprise and kill/disarm/capture someone.

After a while, the changes became significant, years of dilution from good teachers dying, hurried training with bad teachers, and you ended up with a style for fodder. The samurai quality on average started to go down, though the rare kenshi became greater and greater as some knowledge was passed on in certain schools.

At some point in the early 1500s the formation of the yagyu shinkage ryu happened, Hidestuna in his travels, studied with a group of Tengu(crow demons) who taught his their stuff in a very batman like fashion. He continued to travel, and eventually became well known with 2 famous students. His school however blended the samurai and ninja arts back together again, The yagyu shinkage also took some of these principles and when hidestuna went away for a bit, and left muneyoshi(his student) in charge with the assignment to learn Muto-dori(unarmed vs sword technique Lit. No-sword), muneyoshi worked hard and came up with techniques that he felt gave him a 70% success rate(Very good) . These techniques caused muneyoshi to become very well known and he went to work for the shogun(hidestuna having died by this point). Both of their teaching disseminated in the training of the samurai, bringing it to a higher level then it was previously. Samurai started to learn to dodge again. Eventually, techniques became more schools of thought.

The samurai, they were "generally" orderly, training hard with their sword to fight duels. having great timing, distance, aim, etc.. The ninja trained on how not to get killed by the samurai, and how to fight with a lot of weapons competently, but not how to stand their and fence with a samurai. The ninja "cheated' their asses off. a very acceptable thing to most schools of combat, though not for the samurai.

Samurai hated the ninja, and eventually managed to wipe them out almost compeltely in a series of large battles. they went undergorund, and stayed their in that fashion until recently.

Ninja do it from behind
Samurai do it with one thrust

lol, samurai but to my somewhat limited understanding (haven't been studying martial arts all that long) ninja were so very sucessful because they avoided head-on confrontations instead focusing on stealth and cunning.

I sound like the prologue to Tenchu...

hanzo hittori vs yagyu jubei, you can versus them in "samuria showdown" and find out yourself.

p.s. does "samurai showdown V" play on xbox 360?!?!?

there are now side scrolling fighters on xbox 360 in the states why hasn't any distributors capitalize on this?!?!?