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anger_frog

anger_frog

I'm lost
January 2004

MAR 06, 2005 02:02 PM

Lately the stance of public schools towards gay culture has been that of anthema, as gay students find their images cut from yearbooks for expressing their sexual identity and the mere mention of the topic has resulted in the firing of more than a few educators. Now, it seems our public schools are trying to keep things on the straight and narrow-minded for our kids' extra-curricular activities, as a 22 year old band camp intern was fired for discussing her sexual orientation with sixth grade students.

Katy Woodward, the principal at Joan MacQueen Middle School, immediately sent home a letter that told the parents of those girls that a camp intern had "an inappropriate conversation with your child." She said the topic of the conversation was "lesbianism" and "we encourage you to talk to your child."

The County Board of Education is reviewing training procedures, the station reported.

[...]

Parent Penni Cody said, "I'm sure the administration of the school had nothing to do with it and they seem to take care of issues that come up that are important to the parents."

Many of the parents [that reporters] spoke with had not heard about the incident because it did not involve their child. Others said they will think twice about school camps.

Parent Traci Roberts said, "There's just too many things out in the world now that I don't choose to have my child exposed to, and this is one of them."

The story fails to explain what exactly these "lesbian experiences" discussed with the kids were exactly or what about them was "inappropriate." Was the intern telling explicit stories of sapphic lust, or just teaching these whitebread suburban kids that people of different sexual orientation like herself are just as healthy and normal as any one else? I guess no one, including the kids, will ever know for certain.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:15 PM

unless it involved a flute and some suggestions on where to put it i don't see how bad it can be.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:17 PM

Parent Traci Roberts said, "There's just too many things out in the world now that I don't choose to have my child exposed to, and this is one of them."

simple response: whatever

ChocolateJesus

ChocolateJesus

I'm lost
January 2005

MAR 06, 2005 03:23 PM

I love people who say they don't want their "children exposed" to certain things. Because, you know, being gay is absolutely contagious.

Admiral_Pants

Admiral_Pants

Austin, TX
May 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:27 PM

Mr_Stitches said:
I love people who say they don't want their "children exposed" to certain things. Because, you know, being gay is absolutely contagious.


Our very own Crim has the gay germs.

Yuriel

Yuriel

I'm lost
January 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:29 PM

No. Too easy.
EL SUICIDO LOCO

Yuriel

Yuriel

I'm lost
January 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:30 PM

ExcitableBoy said:

Mr_Stitches said:
I love people who say they don't want their "children exposed" to certain things. Because, you know, being gay is absolutely contagious.


Our very own Crim has the gay germs.



You mean you're contageous Thad.
Well fuck.
You shouldda told me that before I started drinking that spiked punch after you!
EL SUICIDO LOCO

RockRBoy

RockRBoy

Brooklyn, NY
August 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:30 PM

Man WTF goes on at band camp? I gotta get my ass a job at one.

howdidigethere

howdidigethere

Oroville, CA
June 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:34 PM

6th graders is alil soon to be laying on the lesbianism...they kids are just now getting a grip on the thinking that boys are gross and girls have coodies.

ThisIsWhoWeAre

ThisIsWhoWeAre

Oakland, CA
July 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:36 PM

Yuriel said:
No. Too easy.
EL SUICIDO LOCO



Fine... then I'll do it.

"This one time, at band camp..."
miao!!

[Edited on Mar 06, 2005 3:37PM]

daniofthedead

daniofthedead

Philadelphia, PA
June 2004

MAR 06, 2005 03:57 PM

mrcrisp said:
Parent Traci Roberts said, "There's just too many things out in the world now that I don't choose to have my child exposed to, and this is one of them."

simple response: whatever





that is exactly what upset me. its just impressive......


i have so many things to say to that, but im sure most others are thinking them to. ugh.

hermetica

hermetica

Cook Islands
January 2004

MAR 06, 2005 04:10 PM

Stab_Me said:
6th graders is alil soon to be laying on the lesbianism...they kids are just now getting a grip on the thinking that boys are gross and girls have coodies.


??
Not in my grade school. The main topic in my 6th grade class was who was ready for a bra, who got thier period, and the latest teen heartthrobs..

That said, it was most likely something like this :
"Miss, do you have a boyfriend?"
"No, I dont. I have a girlfriend."
"What do you mean?"

(General explanation of lesbianism ensues)


Yeah. Really unacceptable. Especially when theres no out lesbian celebrities, no gay oriented shows on t.v. and kids in sixth grade are
SOO sheltered and innocent. whatever whatever surreal
It aint kindergarten people.

cgilbe1

cgilbe1

Cambridge, MA
OLD SKOOL

MAR 06, 2005 05:08 PM

haha Ive got this newstory beat. An aunt of mine who is a lesbian (and a bit loopy) got fired for telling a classroom of 6th graders at a CATHOLIC grade/jr high school she is gay. She did this for no apparent reason or context.

On the other hand I think its important that kids of this age start engaging in dialogue about issues like sexuality with repsonsible adults...at the same time I could see how parents might get upset if they didnt have control over such an important discussion.

The yearbook story...now that shit was crazy.

BigBlack81

BigBlack81

Atlanta, GA
November 2004

MAR 06, 2005 05:17 PM

My thing is, if kids don't have conversations about this with their parents and their parents get mad cause their kids are asking such questions of someone else they trust, who really is to blame here: the child for asking, the intern for answering or the parent who sat on their hands and finger fucked their asshole for fun?

Sapphic lust in the sixth grade is wrong; one must wait until High School to enjoy shower room sapphic lust. Preferably after cheerleading practice. ( EL SUICIDO LOCO wink EL SUICIDO LOCO ) But being irresponsible about parenting is just as wrong and potentially just as fucked up. If kids keep watching Queer Eye, eventually they're going to ask WHY that man is acting all sexual with that OTHER man. And then what the fuck?

And oh yes; gay germs are contagious. I bi, therefore I'm a carrier. biggrin

Also finally, one of the first people I talked about my bisexuality who was an adult (and not online looking for love) was my camp director in an inner city day crew. He was a man I trusted and he gave me good council and ideas on how to deal. He also informed me that teachers are human too and apparently like a good orgy from time to time... ;D

MaryBee

MaryBee

I'm lost
October 2004

MAR 06, 2005 05:37 PM

One time two guys walked by me and my younger sister. They were holding hands and in very short shorts. My sister who was only like 7 at the time leaned over and whispered, "I think they're lesbians."


Yep, that's when she got the talk. biggrin

funnyman

funnyman

Cherry Hill, NJ
December 2004

MAR 06, 2005 08:19 PM

of course it's appropriate! ORGIES=COOL, in case you didn't know :p

funnyman

funnyman

Cherry Hill, NJ
December 2004

MAR 06, 2005 08:20 PM

of course it's appropriate! ORGIES=COOL, in case you didn't know :p

Finch

Finch

SUICIDEGIRL

Thailand

MAR 06, 2005 08:25 PM

hermetica said:

Stab_Me said:
6th graders is alil soon to be laying on the lesbianism...they kids are just now getting a grip on the thinking that boys are gross and girls have coodies.


??
Not in my grade school. The main topic in my 6th grade class was who was ready for a bra, who got thier period, and the latest teen heartthrobs..

That said, it was most likely something like this :
"Miss, do you have a boyfriend?"
"No, I dont. I have a girlfriend."
"What do you mean?"

(General explanation of lesbianism ensues)




this is exactly what i imagine happened as well.

sigh. people make me sad frown

Weetzie

Weetzie

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 06, 2005 09:03 PM

Where does it say that this was at a band camp? The only reference I found in the article was to a "grade six girl's camp".

I mean, not that it makes it any more or less relevant. But... Band Camp?

Oskar

Oskar

United Kingdom
February 2005

MAR 06, 2005 09:05 PM

at least the intern didn't talk more liberal propoganda. Like about the wonders of VEGANISM or something crazy like that! THE HORROR! skull skull skull

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

MAR 06, 2005 09:33 PM

Frankly, I think the parents would just assume veganism was just some type of sexual perversion they hadn't heard of yet tongue

catdad

catdad

Portland, OR
August 2002

MAR 06, 2005 10:56 PM

Maybe the intern should have sued the school district for forcing her to work in an environment where hostility towards her based on her sexual orientation was allowed.

BigBlack81

BigBlack81

Atlanta, GA
November 2004

MAR 06, 2005 11:37 PM

KaliDoom said:

BigBlack81 said:


Also finally, one of the first people I talked about my bisexuality who was an adult (and not online looking for love) was my camp director in an inner city day crew. He was a man I trusted and he gave me good council and ideas on how to deal.



If this is the kind of conversation they had, then the parents are overreacting.

He also informed me that teachers are human too and apparently like a good orgy from time to time... ;D



If THIS is the conversation. NOT APPROPRIATE!


The thing is, he was working in an inner city district that had kids losing their virginities at like age 11 (I should know as one of the most interesting scandals I ever dealt with was a pair of kids fucking in a middle school bathroom while I was working at this youth center) and had GAY, and I do mean GAY, sex clubs with groups of boys as old as 13. Like they would fuck and suck and go and make trouble together but always as one solid group. they dated girls as a cover but as I knew most of the young boys sisters (go me. biggrin) I knew and saw the evidence.

Not all of us come from white bread communities. Watch those old Welcome Back Kotter episodes or read Great Teacher Onizuka to see what I mean. For me, him coming that real to me when other adults wanted to push shit under the rug and bury it was the most appropriate thing he could have done at the time.

Innocence

Innocence

United Kingdom
November 2003

MAR 07, 2005 02:01 AM

Jesus...do these people have nothing better to do than preach to children (and everyone else for that matter) about how fucking 'dangerous and immoral' it is to get 'mixed up in an unnatural lifestyle'?! I'm sick of hearing about people getting so hung up on homosexuality...aren't there any bigger issues to deal with, like ridding America of Bush for example?! I couldn't care less what the sexuality of a person was-surely it should be their ability to do the job that counts? And all these poor kids who think they might be gay will grow up repressing their urges and living miserable 'normal' lives because for some reason people believe that in order to be a moral being you have to have a 9-5 job, live in the suburbs, have a wife, 2 kids and a fucking dog.

frown

squee_

squee_

Grand Marais, MN
September 2004

MAR 13, 2005 12:00 PM

Stab_Me said:
6th graders is alil soon to be laying on the lesbianism...they kids are just now getting a grip on the thinking that boys are gross and girls have coodies.



Gimme a break. I was home schooled and sheltered beyong belief and I knew what lesbians were by 6th grade. Where do people get this idea that kids don't know this stuff? They know, or at least they know what ever misinformation is passed around. God forbid someone might want to actually educate them so they can start to sort fact from fiction.

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