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mark13

mark13

Pittsburgh, PA
February 2004

FEB 27, 2005 05:08 PM

Siouxsie said:

Cash said:

Instead of pushing everyone to go to college...high school guidance counselors should be GUIDING kids with more street smarts than book smarts into trade schools.



I agree. It doesn't seem right that there are folks who change their major 4 or 5 times, take 6 or 7 years to get their degree, and don't even put it to use. surreal



At the very least, HS grads should take enough time to figure out what they want to do before going to college, trade school, etc. I've had friends that wasted large college funds over the course of 7 or 8 years, and still don't have degrees. Their time in college was wasted, as was their parent's money. At 20, I decided I wanted to try college on my own dime. It took two years to realize I was going to see it through; I had started just to see if it was something I had an aptitude and desire for.

I've had all sorts of jobs: office work, physical labor, stockboy, caterer. The more things you're willing to try out, the more in touch you are with your interests and talents. College isn't for everyone.

datsun

datsun

Richmond, CA
October 2004

FEB 27, 2005 05:23 PM

madmanjo said:

Cash said:
Actually...I blame it on the touchy-feely "everyone should go to college" philosophy that everyone seems to be pushing these days. Thre are too many people in college. College is now viewed more as a rite of passage than an educational endeavor.

Instead of pushing everyone to go to college...high school guidance counselors should be GUIDING kids with more street smarts than book smarts into trade schools.



That is so true. Higher learning is suppossed to be for those who want to better mankind by participating in research, not just for some slacker who wants to chug beer, and cram for tests, while hoping to get a damn piece of paper (degree) which actually means nothing.


Uhm, have you seen how few trade schools are around these days?
I live in CA, and my boy lives in TX because he's a carpenter and wants to study Construction Science. There are only a handful of programs for him. frown Our education system needs to be overhauled so we have trade schools again...

Sexdwarf

Sexdwarf

Hermosa Beach, CA
February 2003

FEB 27, 2005 05:34 PM

datsun said:
Uhm, have you seen how few trade schools are around these days?
I live in CA, and my boy lives in TX because he's a carpenter and wants to study Construction Science. There are only a handful of programs for him. frown Our education system needs to be overhauled so we have trade schools again...



I don't know if its still the same way, but how my Dad described the trade school setup in many european countries (Germany in his case) it would be an ideal model for everywhere else, especially America.

I also think that in regards to alot of majors now-a-days colleges and highschool's don't consider accentuating the need for basic entrepeneurial skills. Even if you're going to end up being a drone, depending on one's major, you need to be able to grasp areas of a business as a whole to be effective and desired in the job market.

Reading many of these posts makes me think history could very well look back and consider this time to consist of the most educated blue collar workers ever.

[Edited on Feb 27, 2005 by Sexdwarf]

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

FEB 27, 2005 05:36 PM

if anyone wants my job, make me an offer, before I start carrying an AK-47 to work.

[Edited on Feb 27, 2005 by PsychoMagnet]

Noir

Noir

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

FEB 27, 2005 05:36 PM

I applied to be a Lotto winner. Still waiting to hear back on that...

Remj

Remj

Seattle, WA
April 2003

FEB 27, 2005 06:27 PM

I dropped out of college, before having to go into student loan debt.

I wandered a bit, worked at a temp agency while looking for what I wanted.

There are a couple of suggestions from some book I liked on the subject (Something like "How To Survive Without Your Parents Money" by Princeton Review)

Keep in mind that any job you take while looking for what you really want is just that - a joe job. Don't get sucked into thinking its what you settle for. Don't get sucked into other people's negative cycles on work. (IE, my ex-roommate who hated his dead-end jobs, and wasn't willing to apply himself - it encouraged me to see negative things about stuff I liked.)

Don't set limits on your ideal job. Want to be a reporter? How about an editor for a magazine (something you might have thought about minoring in)?

Networking isn't just a buzzword. It means telling people, I'm looking for a job in the industry, and while your company might not be hiring me...do you have any recommendations for companies that would be looking for someone of my skills?

Yeah, the job market can suck.

Once you're in an industry you like, you've done good work...networking is super easy. And staying unemployed is more of a choice

inkncarrots

inkncarrots

San Diego, CA
March 2004

FEB 27, 2005 06:35 PM

Spaceboy said:

inkncarrots said:
I cringe just thinking about doing my own job search when I graduate this May. I sure hope I didn't slave away all these years for nothing.



Start looking before you graduate. It might help.


Thats what I plan on doing. It will be a little hard because I am moving after I graduate so I have to try to find work 9 hours away. Hopefully though there will be some company in San Diego who needs a chem lab rat like me. smile

Meeks

Meeks

Canada
November 2004

FEB 27, 2005 06:46 PM

Ya, I'd really like to find work doing construction or landscaping in Whistler, but apparently I'm about 100 lbs to small and the wrong gender. Somehow being a tiny girl doesn't scream "hire me for physical labour."

Ha ha...I'm a lab rat too, I have no idea what I'm going to do with my science degree when I get it...

schoolgirl

schoolgirl

Christmas Island
May 2003

FEB 27, 2005 06:53 PM

inkncarrots said:

Spaceboy said:

inkncarrots said:
I cringe just thinking about doing my own job search when I graduate this May. I sure hope I didn't slave away all these years for nothing.



Start looking before you graduate. It might help.


Thats what I plan on doing. It will be a little hard because I am moving after I graduate so I have to try to find work 9 hours away. Hopefully though there will be some company in San Diego who needs a chem lab rat like me. smile



Five years after graduation from college, I make as much money as a chemist as my bf's brother who manages a drug store and isn't finished with a degree. Moral of the story here: as a chem major also, I advise you to consider grad school and stuff. Chemists don't make as much as people think. chem majors with a BS make garbage money. Chem majors with higher education make great money. that gap sucks. and the market for scientists kinda sucks. good luck and search NOW.

crucifyingcupid

crucifyingcupid

San Antonio, TX
February 2005

FEB 27, 2005 06:56 PM

I need to get back in school asap. I have spent the last 6 months looking for a job and the closest I have come is a temp job that pays $10/hr when the salaried position would pay $35k/year but of course they won't offer me that title (even though I've been doing the job just fine for 2 months) because I don't have a degree therefore I must be too stupid to be able to handle it (ie i don't deserve it - EVERYONE goes to college - something must be wrong with me)

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

FEB 27, 2005 06:59 PM

Sexdwarf said:

datsun said:
Uhm, have you seen how few trade schools are around these days?
I live in CA, and my boy lives in TX because he's a carpenter and wants to study Construction Science. There are only a handful of programs for him. frown Our education system needs to be overhauled so we have trade schools again...



I don't know if its still the same way, but how my Dad described the trade school setup in many european countries (Germany in his case) it would be an ideal model for everywhere else, especially America.

I also think that in regards to alot of majors now-a-days colleges and highschool's don't consider accentuating the need for basic entrepeneurial skills. Even if you're going to end up being a drone, depending on one's major, you need to be able to grasp areas of a business as a whole to be effective and desired in the job market.

Reading many of these posts makes me think history could very well look back and consider this time to consist of the most educated blue collar workers ever.

[Edited on Feb 27, 2005 by Sexdwarf]



Yeah, I remember hearing about the German trade school program. Sounds pretty solid.
If I remember right, Vocational schools are one of the programs that Bush is cutting funding to.

clara

clara

MODERATOR

Baltimore, MD

FEB 27, 2005 07:00 PM

You might have luck using a recruiting agency. Some of them don't take people who are entry level, but it sounds like you have some experience. I've used http://www.brilliantpeople.com with some success.

daggx

daggx

North York, ON
December 2002

FEB 27, 2005 07:03 PM

I feel everyone's pain, I'm also in the process of looking for a full time job and am so far meeting with limited success. I graduated with a BA in Political Science and Law and Society last June and I'm still working for $9.00 an hour at a one hour photo lab in a grocery store. I hate the whole process of having to go around to all these different places trying to sell my self, especially since no one seems to be buying. If all else fails I might go back for a Masters degree in the fall and see if that helps.

[Edited on Feb 27, 2005 by daggx]

inkncarrots

inkncarrots

San Diego, CA
March 2004

FEB 27, 2005 07:15 PM

schoolgirl said:

inkncarrots said:

Spaceboy said:

inkncarrots said:
I cringe just thinking about doing my own job search when I graduate this May. I sure hope I didn't slave away all these years for nothing.



Start looking before you graduate. It might help.


Thats what I plan on doing. It will be a little hard because I am moving after I graduate so I have to try to find work 9 hours away. Hopefully though there will be some company in San Diego who needs a chem lab rat like me. smile



Five years after graduation from college, I make as much money as a chemist as my bf's brother who manages a drug store and isn't finished with a degree. Moral of the story here: as a chem major also, I advise you to consider grad school and stuff. Chemists don't make as much as people think. chem majors with a BS make garbage money. Chem majors with higher education make great money. that gap sucks. and the market for scientists kinda sucks. good luck and search NOW.



Yeah I know that the pay isn't the greatest. I just wanted to do something that I love. I will hopefully work my shit job for a year or so and then go back to grad school. Nothing makes me happier than the thought of going to grad school. Lets just hope that they accept me. biggrin

JohnClement

JohnClement

Silver Spring, MD
January 2004

FEB 27, 2005 07:47 PM

Clara said:
You might have luck using a recruiting agency. Some of them don't take people who are entry level, but it sounds like you have some experience. I've used http://www.brilliantpeople.com with some success.



I can't get the site to come up right now, but I'll try it later. Thanks Clara.

ether_medius

ether_medius

Toronto, ON
November 2004

FEB 27, 2005 07:59 PM

I hate looking for a job too.

Makes ya feel like you're missing something or you're not as good at something you thought you were. At least that's how I take it sometimes.

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