How does this world stand a chance?

Traditional Values Coalition

...taking us back to the Stone Age through propaganda...

... I've also viewed another article in which a Minister claims to have journeyed to Africa and found living Dinosaurs, in order to disprove evolution. It frightens me that people read this and swallow it whole.

Now wonder the God is called a "shepherd" because the people who follow him truly are sheep...

I always thought it was because He was going to shave and/or eat me.

I always thought that gay marriage was a plot by our alien masters to accelerate the extinction of the human race. Guess I was wrong.

How does it stand a chance? Easy, these people don't run things, it's like a shriek of defiance against progress which is inevitable. Every major social evolution like this one eventually takes hold and becomes the norm in our society, it's happening. 20 years from now the idea of gay marriage will be totally no big deal. There will still be some religious fundamentalists who decry it, I mean they interpret their religion a certain way, what are you gonna do? But this country isn't a theocracy and eventually all of the social liberations will come to pass. Except maybe for the legalization of drugs.

Of course, I can't smoke in a bar, but who the fuck cares about that?

I think that if this is indeed the activist gay agenda, that it would be liberating for all people. Marriage is an archaic institution from an age when the average life expectancy was much less than it is today. For those monogamous marriages that last 30, 40, 50 years I think "wonderful". But this archaic institution should not be the model that is forced on everyone. Progressive change is a good thing. In this matter, I think the more a person is permitted to choose his/her lifestyle the better

i think youre right, but i dont think it will be that quickly. it will be better for gays in 20 years, but not, "no big deal." think of the way blacks are treated now, as opposed to in the 60s. its leaps and bounds better, but we are far from where we could be.

Who is it forced on though?

I was standing on a subway platform in downtown Chicago yesterday, and I realied that I was, as a white guy, definitely a minority. There were black and white and asian and latin people, all standing side by side. There were interracial couples a plenty and I thought, "This is nice." I realize it's not like that everywhere, so maybe my view is a little distorted.

what a retarded piece of propaganda.


and don't lump all of us christians together quasievil, i certainly don't support this and don't appreciate being called a sheep.

your generalizations aren't as bad as the TVC's, but you are still generalizing.

PsychoMagnet said:

Who is it forced on though?
I imagine that most people that read these forums don't agree with many conventional mores of society. But for those that do, and that is the majority of people, society, family and religious leaders have a strong influence. So for many that want to live by societal mores, they are "forced" into the only model that is accepted.

i hear ya.

it really is a nice thing when you can see that. and, like i said, i agreed with your original statement. not just that peoples outlooks will improve in the future and people, as a whole will become more tolerative, but that this is being blown out of proportion. a great many people on this site will take any and every opportunity to lash out at chistianity.

Is that site seriously anti-homosexual or are they joking?

Bwahahahaaaa!

" The" "World" "Stand" "A" and "Chance" don't go together unless "Doesn't" is in between "World" and "Stand".

I hate to throw a devils advocate type post here ... but Venice ... don't you think that the fact that there is so much uproar over the appointment kinda throws off your first sentence?

I'll take it a step further and say that most Christians that i know are decent. The vast majority of Christians aren't a bunch of evangelicals. Except the ones I met in the joint.

I personally don't think so. Religions aren't static belief systems - they evolve as people's values change. It's occurred since the dawn of Religion, and modern-day fundamentalism is a reaction to this fact.

To clear it up a bit ... I am by no means saying that all Christians/God believers are morons.

Mostly close minded ... hells yes ... morons ... not so much.

I know some amazing Christians and I know some really uppity holier-than-thou Christians.


To me - the Church should have zero % say in what defines a marriage. They SHOULD be the "open minded" people that most of them claim to be and just sit back and allow people to marry whom they choose.

If Steve and Frank wanna get married and have butt sex - fine. It doesn't affect me ... nor does it them.

The fact that a gay bishop was appointed does show signs of change and tolerance ... but the fact that mass amounts of that specific form of religions followers are boycotting what they believe in because of a gay person leading them ... that doesn't say "evolution" or "open mind" at all ... it says "I'm gonna plant my feet firmly and stick with my guns on this - gays are a lower class citizen."

At least that's how I take it.

Whatever. It is evolving. People in general are conservative and resistant to change. Homophobia is a global phenomenon that knows no bounds - buddhists are homophobic, Christians, Jews, atheists, everyone - it has nothing to do with dogma and everything to do with people not being comfortable with things unfamiliar to them. Change like this has to occur slowly over time, and it is inevitable that you will see people resisting something they feel (for whatever reason) is morally corrupt.

Keep in mind that people were having these same exact conversations about women and blacks - someday it will all be a distant memory. Meanwhile, cut people a little slack. It's great that you're a little further along in the ideas that you will accept, but it's not as simple as shaking people and saying "be rational". If your life hasn't primed you to accept a new idea, you will most likely reject it regardless of how many people try to calmly explain in rational terms why you should accept it.

Ha!
That's just silly.

Everyone knows that gays want to get married so they can adopt children and convert them to the gay lifestyle, then push the laws even further so that they can marry all the pigs and goats and sheep, so every living thing will be gay and thus never procreate and the world will die.

Doy!