lil_tuffy said:
discussion about what makes something art or why something is art is why I hated art school.
if you need me, I'll be in the back room doing gravity bong hits and debating the existence of god with those dudes that were juggling sticks earlier.
Fire. They juggle fire now.
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numbers
New York, NY
November 2002
FEB 22, 2005 06:31 AM
If everyone in the world was allowed to destroy one work of art that they hated, there'd be no art left in the world. I don't have the correct answer here, I can just tell you what works for me. Intent. Did s/he intend to create art? Does it produce an emotional reaction of any kind in any viewer? If so, then yes, I feel it can be called art. Although the majority of art has had a deeper meaning (especially in the modern/contemporary period where WHY a thing is, is more important than WHAT a thing is [generally]) meaning itself isn't a prerequisite of art. Barnett Newman was an art historian turned artist who painted in a very cerebral method. To him, art was about "the pure idea." Not about "space cutting or space building, construction or fauvist destruction". He called it the artists "epistemological paradox". The beauty inherent in a pure idea was akin to an aesthetic act, and vice versa, and he said "only the pure idea has meaning, everything else has everything else." So, I equate that, in part, to mean intent. Mix in a few other ingredients and you come close to my opinion on the matter.
I'd strongly recommend a text called "American Artists on Art". Or at least look for Newman's paper that includes the quotes I excerpted above. It isn't about agreeing with it, it's about cherry picking all the aspects you do agree with and designing your own theory of what is art and what is beautiful. That's the freedom that makes the viewer as important as the artist.
Art would be to spend $30 Million feeding/housing NYC's homeless.
That crap merchant had these umbrellas along California highways in the early 1990's and several people died when some were blown off the hills and smashed into motorists.
Die Cristo you sack of snot!
Along one highway. One person died when it fell and crushed her.
I like Christo's work. I think it's provactive and beautiful and I often find it inspiring.
Perhaps you can help the homeless situation by donating your monthly SG subscription to Habitat for Humanity or something.
feralcat said:
To me, art should take more effort than, say, farting.
It does take more effort than farting, and it does take imagination, so there you go. It actually takes tons of effort to get people behind this, get clearance, etc.
Sorry, when I say effort I'm not necessarily talking about the actual physical effort that all people involved in putting the art in place are making, I'm sure it's a logistical headache, but no more so than setting up a U2 stageshow or something.
I mean more of a personal effort for the artist themselves, and not just physical effort. I just don't get the impression he had to work at all to dredge these concepts up from deep within. Hell, I don't get the impression he had to think much period. They just seem like whims.
You make it sound like he just sits there and says, "Orange gates! Yellow umbrellas!" and then everyone else does work to make sure the genius artist does not get angry.
[Edited on Feb 22, 2005 by TedKoppel]
Actually it wouldn't surprise me at all if it did happen that way. I will admit that I'm completely ignorant in regard to the whole process behind the work, so maybe I'm wrong. But my point was more...Christo's work just seems like some whimsical idea anyone could've come up with just daydreaming or spacing out one afternoon in a matter of seconds. He just did it on a very large scale so people would actually notice.
Say you had a 4 year old girl who took 12 yellow umbrellas and "planted" them in her backyard in a pattern which looked pretty. I somehow doubt anyone would come along, scoop her up, hold her aloft and scream "Child Prodigy! She's a genius Conceptual Artist!"
Zofia
Australia
June 2004
FEB 22, 2005 04:16 AM