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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

FEB 13, 2005 09:52 PM

The Colossus at Rhodes in Greece was one of the Ancient Wonders of The World. It was approximately the same size as the modern Statue of Liberty, guarded the entrance to the harbor at Rhodes, and stood for 56 years until an earthquake toppled it. Since 225 B.C.E., various leaders from Rhodes debated whether they should rebuild the statue. Currently, the mayor of the island wants to begin to rebuild the statue for 100 million euros.

The Greek-Cypriot artist Nicolaos Gotziamanis, who has been preparing the project for several years, would erect the statue estimated to cost 100 million euros (129 million dollars) under the plan. It would be made of brass and stand about 33 meters (108 feet) tall.



Gotziamanis has brought together for the project a committee of well-known Europeans, both in politics and in the arts, headed by the former president of Portugal, Mario Soares.



Iatridis said he would try hard to obtain the necessary permits to carry out the project.



Many times over more than 30 years, previous mayors of Rhodes wanted to boost tourism and rebuild the Colossus of Rhodes. Each time the project was halted because of a lack of money or the reluctance of the ministry of culture.



The Colossus wouldn't move me as much as a recreation of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.



And it wouldn't surprise me if the MGM Grand in Las Vegas erected a larger version of the Colossus over the Strip before the Greek island got its act together. Let's just hope for stone and not fiberglass.

Myra

Myra

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

FEB 14, 2005 05:03 AM

Who else thought this would be about something different? confused

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

FEB 14, 2005 05:04 AM

you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.

RallyB

RallyB

Rockville, MD
September 2004

FEB 14, 2005 05:05 AM

Myra said:
Who else thought this would be about something different? confused



guilty as charged

Myra

Myra

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

FEB 14, 2005 05:11 AM

RallyB said:

Myra said:
Who else thought this would be about something different? confused



guilty as charged



Phew. And I thought I would be the only one... wink

hermetica

hermetica

Cook Islands
January 2004

FEB 14, 2005 05:16 AM

Now I have this mental picture of a 33 metre tall brass phallus sitting at the entrance to the harbour..shocked
Thanks people.

On the other hand.. it may not be a bad tourist attraction..
people could rub it for good luck.. send postcards to JWB claiming they met his doppleganger..hmmm..
"hey George! we finally saw a bigger dickhead than you!!"

biggrin

Spellcheck edit

[Edited on Feb 14, 2005 5:19AM]

Sebilrazen

Sebilrazen

Minneapolis, MN
November 2004

FEB 14, 2005 05:26 AM

hermetica said:
Now I have this mental picture of a 33 metre tall brass phallus sitting at the entrance to the harbour..shocked
Thanks people.

On the other hand.. it may not be a bad tourist attraction..
people could rub it for good luck.. send postcards to JWB claiming they met his doppleganger..hmmm..
"hey George! we finally saw a bigger dickhead than you!!"

biggrin

Spellcheck edit

[Edited on Feb 14, 2005 5:19AM]




Me thinks you spellcheck missed something is it supposed to be GWB?

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

FEB 14, 2005 05:31 AM

Hey what the...? Where's the hot cock pictures?

Huck

Huck

United Kingdom
July 2004

FEB 14, 2005 06:41 AM

i got to "various leaders from Rome debated..." and really thought it would continue with "...whether or not the Colossus had a massive boner"

if u ask me, the article turned out to be a lot less interesting

hermetica

hermetica

Cook Islands
January 2004

FEB 14, 2005 07:09 AM

Sebilrazen said:

hermetica said:
Now I have this mental picture of a 33 metre tall brass phallus sitting at the entrance to the harbour..shocked
Thanks people.

On the other hand.. it may not be a bad tourist attraction..
people could rub it for good luck.. send postcards to GWB claiming they met his doppleganger..hmmm..
"hey George! we finally saw a bigger dickhead than you!!"

biggrin

Spellcheck edit

[Edited on Feb 14, 2005 5:19AM]




Me thinks you spellcheck missed something is it supposed to be GWB?




Hey it was way too early in the morning ok? Yes it was.. dammit ..
Thx. Me fixink now... biggrin

threejane

threejane

San Francisco, CA
November 2004

FEB 14, 2005 07:55 AM

Snottlebocket said:
you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.


Scientists have often claimed that there was "no way" that some ancient/primitive people could possibly have achieved some task, only to be proven wrong. For example, there were decades of debate regarding whence the peoples of the Pacific islands came from. Western scientists and navigators refused to believe that people could navigate against the wind (that is, from Asia toward South America) without compasses and sextants and whatnot.
There were all these tenuous theories about how the original inhabitants just let the wind carry them from South America to the islands. Later, pottery evidence conclusively fixed Asia as the point of origin. As the West sat down and talked with some of the navigators, we realized that they could navigate without tools and had been doing it for generations.

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

FEB 14, 2005 08:04 AM

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:
you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.


Scientists have often claimed that there was "no way" that some ancient/primitive people could possibly have achieved some task, only to be proven wrong. For example, there were decades of debate regarding whence the peoples of the Pacific islands came from. Western scientists and navigators refused to believe that people could navigate against the wind (that is, from Asia toward South America) without compasses and sextants and whatnot.
There were all these tenuous theories about how the original inhabitants just let the wind carry them from South America to the islands. Later, pottery evidence conclusively fixed Asia as the point of origin. As the West sat down and talked with some of the navigators, we realized that they could navigate without tools and had been doing it for generations.




i know that, but in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.

Vampirate

Vampirate

Durham, NC
October 2004

FEB 14, 2005 08:26 AM

Snottlebocket said:

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:
you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.


Scientists have often claimed that there was "no way" that some ancient/primitive people could possibly have achieved some task, only to be proven wrong. For example, there were decades of debate regarding whence the peoples of the Pacific islands came from. Western scientists and navigators refused to believe that people could navigate against the wind (that is, from Asia toward South America) without compasses and sextants and whatnot.
There were all these tenuous theories about how the original inhabitants just let the wind carry them from South America to the islands. Later, pottery evidence conclusively fixed Asia as the point of origin. As the West sat down and talked with some of the navigators, we realized that they could navigate without tools and had been doing it for generations.




i know that, but in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.



And how the hell did those pyramids get built, anyway?!?

But seriously, I've always wondered what exactly was meant by "hanging" gardens. That sounds like an engineering/horticultural nightmare for anyone lacking sophisticated hydroponic and anti-gravity technology, frankly.

threejane

threejane

San Francisco, CA
November 2004

FEB 14, 2005 08:44 AM

Snottlebocket said:

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:
you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.


Scientists have often claimed that there was "no way" that some ancient/primitive people could possibly have achieved some task, only to be proven wrong. For example, there were decades of debate regarding whence the peoples of the Pacific islands came from. Western scientists and navigators refused to believe that people could navigate against the wind (that is, from Asia toward South America) without compasses and sextants and whatnot.
There were all these tenuous theories about how the original inhabitants just let the wind carry them from South America to the islands. Later, pottery evidence conclusively fixed Asia as the point of origin. As the West sat down and talked with some of the navigators, we realized that they could navigate without tools and had been doing it for generations.




i know that, but in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.


Maybe you should check out Las Vegas before you close the book on getting significant amounts of water to a place in the desert. And Babylon was situated on the Euphrates river, so it's not hard to imagine that there was some water in the area.

Either way, your particulars don't in any way demonstrate that the scientists who claim that they could not have existed are infallible. I'm not saying we should toss out the doubts cast by science; I'm just saying that historical evidence has usually proven to be more reliable than "there's no way they could have done that, because I can't think of a way they could have done that".

[Edited on Feb 14, 2005 by threejane]

Snottlebocket

Snottlebocket

Netherlands
March 2004

FEB 14, 2005 09:07 AM

i'd much rather believe something as fantastical as the hanging gardens of babylon really existed anyway, it's just too cool not to. shocked

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

FEB 14, 2005 09:12 AM

Rhodes is already pretty nice. Check out the leather shop with the handmade sandals hanging out front. He is cool. also try to clear waters in the bay. very nice.

If it helps the people sure but I hope there is no more half assed american inspired political graffiti. I saw "fuck the police" on a thousand year old wall. Come on people. And there is no reason to spray paint "free mumia" in Athens.

witchhunter

witchhunter

Jackson, TN
February 2003

FEB 14, 2005 11:28 AM

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:
you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.


Scientists have often claimed that there was "no way" that some ancient/primitive people could possibly have achieved some task, only to be proven wrong. For example, there were decades of debate regarding whence the peoples of the Pacific islands came from. Western scientists and navigators refused to believe that people could navigate against the wind (that is, from Asia toward South America) without compasses and sextants and whatnot.
There were all these tenuous theories about how the original inhabitants just let the wind carry them from South America to the islands. Later, pottery evidence conclusively fixed Asia as the point of origin. As the West sat down and talked with some of the navigators, we realized that they could navigate without tools and had been doing it for generations.




i know that, but in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.


Maybe you should check out Las Vegas before you close the book on getting significant amounts of water to a place in the desert. And Babylon was situated on the Euphrates river, so it's not hard to imagine that there was some water in the area.

Either way, your particulars don't in any way demonstrate that the scientists who claim that they could not have existed are infallible. I'm not saying we should toss out the doubts cast by science; I'm just saying that historical evidence has usually proven to be more reliable than "there's no way they could have done that, because I can't think of a way they could have done that".

[Edited on Feb 14, 2005 by threejane]



Also, let us not forget that the middle east and norther africa were once verdant jungle.

Al

Al

SUICIDEGIRL

Christmas Island

FEB 14, 2005 11:49 AM

StackedUpXXII said:
But seriously, I've always wondered what exactly was meant by "hanging" gardens. That sounds like an engineering/horticultural nightmare for anyone lacking sophisticated hydroponic and anti-gravity technology, frankly.



This is really cracking me up right now for some reason. I think it's imagining a "horticultural nightmare". You know, like in Little Shop of Horrors or something.

Anyway, what I came to say is that I'm really really happy about the apt naming of this article. So good.

corsair

corsair

Palm Beach, FL
July 2004

FEB 14, 2005 12:28 PM

Snottlebocket said:
in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.



Who said anything about a pump? They had 1,000s of slaves. Same kind of resources that built the pyramids, or any other impressive endeavor of ancient times.

FridgeMagnet

FridgeMagnet

Chicago, IL
November 2004

FEB 14, 2005 12:51 PM

Myra said:

RallyB said:

Myra said:
Who else thought this would be about something different? confused



guilty as charged



Phew. And I thought I would be the only one... wink



Me too, I feel like a Big Dick.

numbers

numbers

New York, NY
November 2002

FEB 14, 2005 01:58 PM

Corsair said:

Snottlebocket said:
in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.



Who said anything about a pump? They had 1,000s of slaves. Same kind of resources that built the pyramids, or any other impressive endeavor of ancient times.



Agreed. First thing I thought of.

matt_organic

matt_organic

United Kingdom
September 2003

FEB 14, 2005 03:14 PM

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:

threejane said:

Snottlebocket said:
you're right, the hanging gardens of babylon would be amazing. wasn't there some dispute over weather the hanging gardens actually existed?
i vaguely remember seeing some show on the discovery channel saying it was most likely a exaggerated fable because there was no way it could have been done out there in the desert.


Scientists have often claimed that there was "no way" that some ancient/primitive people could possibly have achieved some task, only to be proven wrong. For example, there were decades of debate regarding whence the peoples of the Pacific islands came from. Western scientists and navigators refused to believe that people could navigate against the wind (that is, from Asia toward South America) without compasses and sextants and whatnot.
There were all these tenuous theories about how the original inhabitants just let the wind carry them from South America to the islands. Later, pottery evidence conclusively fixed Asia as the point of origin. As the West sat down and talked with some of the navigators, we realized that they could navigate without tools and had been doing it for generations.




i know that, but in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.


Maybe you should check out Las Vegas before you close the book on getting significant amounts of water to a place in the desert. And Babylon was situated on the Euphrates river, so it's not hard to imagine that there was some water in the area.

Either way, your particulars don't in any way demonstrate that the scientists who claim that they could not have existed are infallible. I'm not saying we should toss out the doubts cast by science; I'm just saying that historical evidence has usually proven to be more reliable than "there's no way they could have done that, because I can't think of a way they could have done that".

[Edited on Feb 14, 2005 by threejane]



Added to the fact that the Euphrates basin, like the Nile delta, was a very different place during this period. It's the excessive agriculture of the Babylonian and Egyptian cultures that may have been a primary factor behind these areas being so arid in modern times. We don't really like to consider how quickly the world around us changes, especially due to our own actions.

matt_organic

matt_organic

United Kingdom
September 2003

FEB 14, 2005 03:18 PM

Corsair said:

Snottlebocket said:
in this particular case they meant that the hanging gardens of babylon were simply impossible, even with current technology it would be near impossibly to pump thousands and thousands of gallons of irrigation water up into those gardens in the middle of the desert.



Who said anything about a pump? They had 1,000s of slaves. Same kind of resources that built the pyramids, or any other impressive endeavor of ancient times.



Sorry to act like a consistent archaeological naysayer, but recent findings have very strongly suggested that the majority of pyramids (including the Giza monuments) were not built by slaves at all, but by contracted workers. It's worth noting that these and other large ancient structures took up so much time and resources to construct that it's difficult to see how they would have been completed had not the majority of a society been behind their completeion. This would contradict the traditional 'slaves built everything' view.

Koenigsegg

Koenigsegg

I'm lost
July 2004

FEB 14, 2005 03:20 PM

ThisIsWhoWeAre

ThisIsWhoWeAre

Oakland, CA
July 2004

FEB 14, 2005 03:34 PM

After the original fell over in an earthquake, an Egyptian king offered to repair and re-erect the Colossus. But the people of Rhodes consulted an Oracle than warned against it. Putting up a new Colossus would be an slap in the face of the Gods.

The construction of the Colossus took 12 years and was finished in 282 BC. For years, the statue stood at the harbor entrance, until a strong earthquake hit Rhodes about 226 BC. The city was badly damaged, and the Colossus was broken at its weakest point -- the knee. The Rhodians received an immediate offer from Ptolemy III Eurgetes of Egypt to cover all restoration costs for the toppled monument. However, an oracle was consulted and forbade the re-erection. Ptolemy's offer was declined.



The Gods people!!! skull

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