SG Jaime: Jim Goad

Hey. Nicely done. you put to words to the concept i couldn't grasp

So by your specious reasoning, since Dick Gregory wrote a book called "Nigger," he must REALLY be a nigger, right?

Then you edited your comment to allege that I'm a poseur. Tell me what I'm posing about, kemosabe. I never claimed to be a redneck—just a working-class Philly white boy. Care to offer some EVIDENCE that I'm not what I claimed to be? Or, as I suspect, are you merely talkin' out your ass?

You should have looked before you leapt into this particular abyss, hombre.

You should take a look at Wyncliffe Avenue in Clifton Heights, PA—where I spent the first 19 years of my life—and then look in my eyes and tell me it approaches anything resembling "middle class" or above.

You should take a look at my tax returns throughout my adult life. You'd realize the only year I made an income that could be properly termed "middle class" was 1996—when I received an advance to write "The Redneck Manifesto." Before and after that year, it's all been working-class or poverty level.

You should take a look at that book—published in 1997—and you'd see that I predicted (and lamented) the wave of "faux-redneckism" that you describe.

Don't blame me for my fans. In the unlikely event that you ever GET a fan, you might realize how misguided they can be.

I don't pretend to know where you come from. Afford me the same favor.

[Edited on Mar 08, 2005 by JimGoad]

Hey, Joe:

Your whole "class war" stance is boring, ugly, and shared by almost no one in the working class. It's a pose adopted almost exclusively by the sort of "hipster art students" you claim to despise.

I feel so full of love today.


Have a nice day, Joe. I think you mean well. You're just wrong, that's all.

[Edited on Mar 08, 2005 by JimGoad]

that point about the book nigger doesn't fit in here. the communist manifesto was written by a communist...the SCUM manifesto was written by a member of SCUM.... so only a redneck could write a redneck manifesto... which is a moot point, because you're claiming that. anyways, i was going off of what Jaime said.

yea, i do a crappy zine and don't have very many fans, but dude, get off your high horse. you yourself are admitting that your fans are a bunch of phonies and fakers. it's a small cult of middle class america that loves you for the same reason that middle class america loves oprah, or bill cosby, or that other uncle tom on american idol who tries too hard to talk ghetto. so don't turn your nose up at me for still being a nobody. okay?

i'll read your book. but i still hate your fans, and i'll always love pissing them off.

what? where'd you come up with this? i don't even think i've written about class war in my journal..... don't confuse me with most anarchists you've met. i blew the anarchist movement off years ago because i got sick of it for the same reasons you point out. i just keep in touch with a select few friends.

come to work with me sometime. you might see a guy throw his hammer at his foreman, or you might see someone push the company snitch off a scaffold. i'm a union carpenter and i've seen it before. it might not be "class war" like the activists say, but it still makes me smile.


[Edited on Mar 08, 2005 by joenobody]

I disagree. Dick Gregory certainly didn't picture himself as a subhuman stereotype. He was making a comment about stereotypes.

Poor whites are the only people it's OK to stereotype these days. The only people it's OK to publicly use demeaning slurs against without risking your career.

Anyway, lots of people who like me are brilliant. I was talking about the retards. You and I agree about the retards.

Mt. St. Helens just blew its top, and I'm scared. Hug me, Joe.

Sugar Bear, your IM screen name is "CTclasswar." Forgive me for thinking you were a cheerleader for class war.

yea, it's also 3 years old.....don't tell me you think you know me because of my aol screen name...

[Edited on Mar 08, 2005 by joenobody]

i don't doubt any of that. i just wasn't sure what context he was using the word "nigger" in. i think you're getting sweet on me.

fuck this double post



[Edited on Mar 09, 2005 by joenobody]

actually, most people call me Egon, egon spangler from ghostbusters....believe what you want i don't care....oh wait, i'm talking to a suicide girl.... do you expect me to be kissing your ass right now or something? or are you just joining in with jim goad to look cool and kiss his ass because you've got some sort of hero-worship thing going?

and i know nobody knows me...that's why i'm "joenobody." are you actually trying to make fun of me because i'm not popular on the internet? who's the nerd here....really.....

damn me and my double posts.

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god, why am i still on here.....good night everyone!

I worship Jaime's ass.

Actually ... if anyone watches WWE ... I'd say that there is a MUCH better suited Eugene that joenobody can be equated to.

hey, the arguement between me and jim is over. it sorted itself out, why are you still carrying on?

for the record- my criticism is of his lame ass fans. people who try too hard to sound like archie bunker. you should take some of you own advice. if jim's your idol because he's so blunt and honest, then why is it so hard for you to take some honest criticism of his fans? really now... or are you just really sensitive and easily offended when people make fun of hipsters who wear trucker hats and drink PBR?

Maybe i should be more sensitive to those poor unfortunate souls, who have had it so easy, that they have to cop a fake redneck attitude so that people think they're bad asses.

actually, this reminds me of one kid i used to hang out with who was like this. i stood up for him in a bar, me and this other working class guy from South Philly who was actually pretty PC. some big black tweaker started to mess with the kid at a bar, and me and the South Philly guy got up and fought with the tweaker when mr. "i'm tough because i say 'fag' all the time" just stood back and watched. he even started to apoligize to the tweaker because he was scared. for some kids.... it's all a front. that's all i'm saying. Wiggers were the same, skinheads became the same thing after a few years, and so did the mods..... it's an act. it's nothing new.


[Edited on Mar 09, 2005 by joenobody]

i actually used to do backyard wrestling with my friends. i love wrestling but haven't been watching it lately. if you saw my 24" pythons and my atomic leg drop, you'd say i looked more like hulk hogan.


HAHA. I just did a google search, that guy looks like the dude from the big lebowski and richard simmons had a baby.

[Edited on Mar 09, 2005 by joenobody]

Zingo!

........and a good time was had by all!

........and a good time was had by all!

So i'm late to jump on the end of this thread. Here's my spiel, anyways:

I'm a white-suburbanite from Tennessee. Am I a redneck? No. I fucking hate the people that call themselves rednecks around here. Rednecks buy big trucks with KC lighting, wear camouflage, have never worked manual labor jobs, hunt and tend to beat up on kids that wear clothes that differ from theirs.

There's another breed of redneck that Jim seems to be refering too, though; they are the ones who have been shoved into trailer parks and shunned by the rest of civilization, while also being the target for unneeded hatred. Most are as poor as your urban blacks in ghettos. Most of them are inadvertently racist. So are blacks in ghettos. What do we call these blacks in run down communities? Under-priviledged--more than likely. What do we call whites in run down communities? White-trash.

His "manifesto" seems, to me, to be more of a jocular credo for these people without the education to correctly fill out welfare forms. Sort of a question left unanswered for the quasi-humanist movement--"What about the poor whites?"

Then again I hate to be throwing out Jim's ideas when I can only recall so much of what he's written in his books. Sorry I'm stepping on toes.

Jim Goad is a funny, intelligent, vital guy who young people would do well to emulate. I think what most people lost track of in this thread is that there are good fake rednecks and bad fake rednecks, good actual rednecks and bad actual rednecks. With Redneckization, we have to attempt to come to terms with behavior and words, maybe a smattering of background, but mainly behavior and statements as the determining factor of an individuals character.

The cartoonist Dan Clowes, with regard to Hustler, said in an interview way back that the magazaine had created an archetype. These are our fake rednecks, and perhaps our good fake rednecks. This archetype began as a fiction, but was too awesome an identity to let go to waste. The Hustler manufactured person is a libertarian, anti-gun control, and probably into Toby Keith but is actually literate, against prejudicial thinking and minimally somewhat politically aware. I consider myself a good fake redneck and I hope to live up to the moniker.