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capitalistfig

capitalistfig

Los Angeles, CA
November 2004

JAN 10, 2005 02:47 PM

bredoteau said:

capitalistfig said:
Heh. So who wants a Sideways Wine Tour map? I give them out left and right at my hotel here in Santa Barbara lately.



Really?



Sure, why not. I'll just mail it from work and say a guest wanted one. tongue

edit: Unless, y'know, I can mail it normally in an envelope.

[Edited on Jan 10, 2005 by capitalistfig]

_alice_

_alice_

Calgary, AB
August 2004

JAN 10, 2005 03:08 PM

i saw it about a month ago..
i didn`t love it,
and i didn`t hate it.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 10, 2005 10:54 PM

Wow most people didn't like it because of why I liked it. It was real. A little too real. This movie was great, but maybe because I saw no hype. And Birdy, the marriage thing is not being reinforced by this movie. Marriage was a joke, and has been a joke for a long long time now. Yeah the guy is a scumbag, and that doesn't make marriage a joke. They deal with it in a real manner. The guy that NEEDS to have sex and feels validation from sex is an archetype that has been around since before I was born.

Anyway it was a very good movie and I understand why peopele don't like it. I can't recomend it to many people because it's way to realistic to be a movie.

I agree 100% with the comments that it is funny and sad without being awkward. Perfect description.


Added: Sandra Oh is fucking hot.

[Edited on Jan 11, 2005 by Pip]

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

JAN 11, 2005 02:29 AM

Birdy said:
I saw this last night.
Everyone has been saying it is very good.
I totally HATED it.
I didn't even pay to get in, but I still felt ripped off.

I am sick of whiney guys with screwed up lives
making excuses for their lameness and stupid choices.
My friends say "Well it's a guy movie, you don't understand"
whatever.
If that's the case, I don't wanna understand.
There is a whole wave of men these days acting like it's okay to be a big wussy ball of emo and relish your failures, for they make you more sensitive.
Fuck that.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

So your novel didn't get published.
So your ex-wife got remarried and is having a baby.
So your only friend is a total moron.

GET OVER IT.

I have no time for films and books that portray this epidemic.
Life thows you lemons, dude.
Tough up and learn how to catch.

(Or did your father never play catch with you....is that the problem?)

Not to mention the general excusing of "wild oat sowing" in films these days..
Marriage has become joke.
A footnote.
And I don't need movies that let people think it's okay for them to feel like that.

...........................................Sorry.
I get a little over the top sometimes.



The acting was really really good, though, I'll give it that.

But I checked my watch 3 times and I don't like wine so I guess that's that.


I can't really argue with this, per se...I mean, you like what you like. I hate Gone With the Wind because I hated all the characters and I don't like period pieces. But still, just one thing...you did get that you aren't supposed to admire these people at all, right? I mean, the movie never offered any sort of excuse for their behavior at all.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Neither of them were really celebrating the guy's marriage, obviously. One guy just wanted to fuck other women for the week. The other just used it as an excuse to drag his friend along for his usual trip up the coast to drink himself into a stupor, under the guise of wine tasting. Both of these things are wrong, and the movie never implied otherwise. It's not that his "father didn't play catch with him"...it's that he's an alcoholic with no direction in life. I mean, the whole weekend was paid for with money stolen by Miles from his mother. You aren't supposed to think that marriage is a joke; the joke is the way Thomas Hayden Church treats it. It's not an endearing quality, but it's the way the character is. You can either laugh at his asshole ways or you can get mad. I'm guessing you picked the latter.

Birdy

Birdy

Dallas, TX
April 2004

JAN 11, 2005 02:08 PM

TedKoppel said:
I can't really argue with this, per se...I mean, you like what you like. I hate Gone With the Wind because I hated all the characters and I don't like period pieces. But still, just one thing...you did get that you aren't supposed to admire these people at all, right? I mean, the movie never offered any sort of excuse for their behavior at all.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Neither of them were really celebrating the guy's marriage, obviously. One guy just wanted to fuck other women for the week. The other just used it as an excuse to drag his friend along for his usual trip up the coast to drink himself into a stupor, under the guise of wine tasting. Both of these things are wrong, and the movie never implied otherwise. It's not that his "father didn't play catch with him"...it's that he's an alcoholic with no direction in life. I mean, the whole weekend was paid for with money stolen by Miles from his mother. You aren't supposed to think that marriage is a joke; the joke is the way Thomas Hayden Church treats it. It's not an endearing quality, but it's the way the character is. You can either laugh at his asshole ways or you can get mad. I'm guessing you picked the latter.



Yeah.... I know... I know....

It wasn't so much Sideways only that made me feel like this,
but a lot of movies I've seen lately.
I just happened to see this one the night before I saw this thread and I took everything out on this one film.

Misdirected, totally, but it was this movie that set me off.

Everything you said it true.

But I guess I also expected something totally different from the film.
I hadn't read any reviews, I only had heard friends recommend it.

I'm just seeing all these movies lately that are "real",
but I am missing good old fashioned story telling.
Life is dissapointing and directionless as it is.
When I go to the movies, I guess I just hope not to be reminded of it.

I shoulda just gone to see Incredibles again and avoided this whole mess.




Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

JAN 14, 2005 10:51 PM

A bit like Lost In Translation: pretty good and even occasionally deeply moving, but if it's 'film of the year' then it's been a slow year.

fatdavid8

fatdavid8

Cook Islands
June 2004

JAN 14, 2005 10:57 PM

miffy said:
when i first saw the title of this thread I was thinking "are they taking about my vagina?"

in any case, I've heard it was good... surreal




That last bit there...are you still talking about your vagina? 'Cause I'd heard that too, like all over the intranet. wink

FRED

FRED

San Diego, CA
OLD SKOOL

MAR 13, 2005 10:38 PM

I just saw this a week ago and I thought it was really good.
I went through the full hype cycle. When it first came I heard a lot of good things. Then it was almost like too much talk about it so it made me not want to see it. I finally watched it with lowered expectations and I really liked it. It was the kind of movie that can stay with you for a while

The other oscar movies on the other hand like Million Dollar Baby and Aviator were cliched and overrated as far as I was concerned. Aviator was actually more original but DiCaprio so far has just not been that good in the Scorcece films he's been in.

Someone said that this movie appeals to critics because they can relate to the Miles character.

Sideways is funny like how things are funny in real life.
It might help to appreciate this if you are closer to the 40 year old range.
This movie has what I'd consider the mark of excellent writing -- authentic characters and situations and not being able to predict what's going to happen scene to scene.





[Edited on Mar 13, 2005 by obadiah]

Pauillac

Pauillac

Canada
April 2003

MAY 05, 2005 03:15 PM

I thought it was good but not great.

Interesting ironic bit follows.

From Sideways:

Paul Giamatti (as Miles Raymond)

" No, if anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any fucking Merlot".

Fact: The 1961 Cheval Blanc that Miles is saving for a special occasion is a blend of the Merlot and Cabernet Franc grapes that he specifically dismisses throughout the movie. The Merlot content varies between 1/3 and 2/3 in any given vintage.

AndersWolleck

AndersWolleck

Astoria, NY
February 2003

MAY 05, 2005 03:33 PM



[Edited on May 05, 2005 by AndersWolleck]

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

MAY 05, 2005 04:08 PM

There was a pretty good moment when he was expounding about pinot noir to the girl, and it was sort of a parable about himself. That was a good scene. The rest of the movie, eh.

Geraldine

Geraldine

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

MAY 05, 2005 04:20 PM

I liked it. And I liked the book as well.

Terrorist

Terrorist

USA
November 2004

MAY 05, 2005 06:28 PM

I like it... but I like whiny guys with fucked up lives. Reminds me of myself.

pmonkeyEsquire

pmonkeyEsquire

I'm lost
May 2004

MAY 05, 2005 06:32 PM

Any time you have the shlub and the delusional "ladies man" drinking is a good time!

Loved it!

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