Wow most people didn't like it because of why I liked it. It was real. A little too real. This movie was great, but maybe because I saw no hype. And Birdy, the marriage thing is not being reinforced by this movie. Marriage was a joke, and has been a joke for a long long time now. Yeah the guy is a scumbag, and that doesn't make marriage a joke. They deal with it in a real manner. The guy that NEEDS to have sex and feels validation from sex is an archetype that has been around since before I was born.
Anyway it was a very good movie and I understand why peopele don't like it. I can't recomend it to many people because it's way to realistic to be a movie.
I agree 100% with the comments that it is funny and sad without being awkward. Perfect description.
Birdy said:
I saw this last night.
Everyone has been saying it is very good.
I totally HATED it.
I didn't even pay to get in, but I still felt ripped off.
I am sick of whiney guys with screwed up lives
making excuses for their lameness and stupid choices.
My friends say "Well it's a guy movie, you don't understand"
whatever.
If that's the case, I don't wanna understand.
There is a whole wave of men these days acting like it's okay to be a big wussy ball of emo and relish your failures, for they make you more sensitive.
Fuck that.
So your novel didn't get published.
So your ex-wife got remarried and is having a baby.
So your only friend is a total moron.
GET OVER IT.
I have no time for films and books that portray this epidemic.
Life thows you lemons, dude.
Tough up and learn how to catch.
(Or did your father never play catch with you....is that the problem?)
Not to mention the general excusing of "wild oat sowing" in films these days..
Marriage has become joke.
A footnote.
And I don't need movies that let people think it's okay for them to feel like that.
...........................................Sorry.
I get a little over the top sometimes.
The acting was really really good, though, I'll give it that.
But I checked my watch 3 times and I don't like wine so I guess that's that.
I can't really argue with this, per se...I mean, you like what you like. I hate Gone With the Wind because I hated all the characters and I don't like period pieces. But still, just one thing...you did get that you aren't supposed to admire these people at all, right? I mean, the movie never offered any sort of excuse for their behavior at all.
Neither of them were really celebrating the guy's marriage, obviously. One guy just wanted to fuck other women for the week. The other just used it as an excuse to drag his friend along for his usual trip up the coast to drink himself into a stupor, under the guise of wine tasting. Both of these things are wrong, and the movie never implied otherwise. It's not that his "father didn't play catch with him"...it's that he's an alcoholic with no direction in life. I mean, the whole weekend was paid for with money stolen by Miles from his mother. You aren't supposed to think that marriage is a joke; the joke is the way Thomas Hayden Church treats it. It's not an endearing quality, but it's the way the character is. You can either laugh at his asshole ways or you can get mad. I'm guessing you picked the latter.
TedKoppel said:
I can't really argue with this, per se...I mean, you like what you like. I hate Gone With the Wind because I hated all the characters and I don't like period pieces. But still, just one thing...you did get that you aren't supposed to admire these people at all, right? I mean, the movie never offered any sort of excuse for their behavior at all.
Neither of them were really celebrating the guy's marriage, obviously. One guy just wanted to fuck other women for the week. The other just used it as an excuse to drag his friend along for his usual trip up the coast to drink himself into a stupor, under the guise of wine tasting. Both of these things are wrong, and the movie never implied otherwise. It's not that his "father didn't play catch with him"...it's that he's an alcoholic with no direction in life. I mean, the whole weekend was paid for with money stolen by Miles from his mother. You aren't supposed to think that marriage is a joke; the joke is the way Thomas Hayden Church treats it. It's not an endearing quality, but it's the way the character is. You can either laugh at his asshole ways or you can get mad. I'm guessing you picked the latter.
Yeah.... I know... I know....
It wasn't so much Sideways only that made me feel like this,
but a lot of movies I've seen lately.
I just happened to see this one the night before I saw this thread and I took everything out on this one film.
Misdirected, totally, but it was this movie that set me off.
Everything you said it true.
But I guess I also expected something totally different from the film.
I hadn't read any reviews, I only had heard friends recommend it.
I'm just seeing all these movies lately that are "real",
but I am missing good old fashioned story telling.
Life is dissapointing and directionless as it is.
When I go to the movies, I guess I just hope not to be reminded of it.
I shoulda just gone to see Incredibles again and avoided this whole mess.
I just saw this a week ago and I thought it was really good.
I went through the full hype cycle. When it first came I heard a lot of good things. Then it was almost like too much talk about it so it made me not want to see it. I finally watched it with lowered expectations and I really liked it. It was the kind of movie that can stay with you for a while
The other oscar movies on the other hand like Million Dollar Baby and Aviator were cliched and overrated as far as I was concerned. Aviator was actually more original but DiCaprio so far has just not been that good in the Scorcece films he's been in.
Someone said that this movie appeals to critics because they can relate to the Miles character.
Sideways is funny like how things are funny in real life.
It might help to appreciate this if you are closer to the 40 year old range.
This movie has what I'd consider the mark of excellent writing -- authentic characters and situations and not being able to predict what's going to happen scene to scene.
" No, if anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any fucking Merlot".
Fact: The 1961 Cheval Blanc that Miles is saving for a special occasion is a blend of the Merlot and Cabernet Franc grapes that he specifically dismisses throughout the movie. The Merlot content varies between 1/3 and 2/3 in any given vintage.
There was a pretty good moment when he was expounding about pinot noir to the girl, and it was sort of a parable about himself. That was a good scene. The rest of the movie, eh.
capitalistfig
Los Angeles, CA
November 2004
JAN 10, 2005 02:47 PM