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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

NOV 12, 2004 07:32 PM

Perfect or absolute pitch is a band geek’s wet dream. In high schools all over America, choir students, saxophone players, and guitarists cry themselves to sleep and wish they were able to distinguish and produce notes on command without a reference note. Some will kill to whistle a perfect C.

It may notperfect pitch may be related to how people learn language, specifically tonal language.

Five years ago researchers led by Diana Deutsch of the University of California at San Diego found that native speakers of Mandarin Chinese and Vietnamese frequently [use perfect pitch] during ordinary speech. In these so-called tonal languages, changing pitch can completely alter the meaning of words. For example, the Mandarin word "ma" means "mother" when the vowel is a constant high pitch, but means "hemp" when pronounced with a rising pitch. Until now, it was not known whether this precision in linguistic pitch transferred to musical tones. […]

To address this question, Deutsch and her colleagues compared 115 advanced music students from Rochester, New York, with 88 students from Beijing. In results to be presented at the meeting of the Acoustical Society of America in San Diego on November 17, the scientists found that the Mandarin speakers were much more likely to have absolute pitch than were English speakers who had started musical training at the same age. For example, 60 percent of Beijing students who had begun studying music between the ages of four and five years old passed a test for absolute pitch, whereas only 14 percent of the American students did. In both groups, students who started their musical instruction later were less likely to have absolute pitch, and none of the Rochester students that began training after their eighth birthday had the ability

Deutsch believes that learning perfect pitch is like learning a second language in cultures that rely on variable tones—English speakers learn pitch like a first language.

Dr_Zoidberg

Dr_Zoidberg

Raymore, MO
June 2004

NOV 13, 2004 01:09 AM

I guess I am in that 14 percent. I passed the perfect pitch test in piano class my freshman year at college.

[Edited on Nov 13, 2004 3:09AM]

Dane_valek

Dane_valek

Tucson, AZ
September 2004

NOV 13, 2004 01:52 AM

I am jealous, my friend has perfect pitch... And he plays drums.... wtf?!

Obdurate

Obdurate

Los Angeles, CA
October 2004

NOV 13, 2004 03:03 AM

Well well well. The debate is unending. I work at a guitar store, and we had an article posted regarding this subject. Tone deafness may be caused by brain abnormality" Jamie Talan, Newsday "Tone deafness is called AMUSIA... and is linked to the right auditory cortex, the part of the brain that processes pitch perception." It goes on to say that 4% of the world's population suffers from this congenital brain abnormality - you can be born with it or aquire it through trauma. It also says that the auditory complexes in the right and left sides of the brain have different structures and functions unlike most regions which are symmetrical. FYI the left contains more white matter an attribute that is thought to have evolved to handle rapid-fire human speech. The right is slower to process information, yet is more accurate - hence the direct link to pitch perception. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!!! The good news is that even if you don't have perfect pitch you probably don't have amusia. The bad news is, even if you don't have amusia you still might have drain bramage. You can improve your pitch through this simple method: tuning forks. If you strike the fork, (never on a hard surface - use your knee) and place it while it resonates between your teeth, letting the tone resonate through the cavities in your head. (Listening through the inner ear is also more accurate) Guaranteed to improve your pitch. Get a fork in each key and viola!

[Edited on Nov 13, 2004 11:30AM]

s5

s5

San Francisco, CA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 13, 2004 03:42 AM

it appears that you have this part reversed, no?

Deutsch believes that learning perfect pitch is like learning a second language in cultures that rely on variable tones—English speakers learn pitch like a first language.

Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

NOV 13, 2004 03:53 AM

s5 said:
it appears that you have this part reversed, no?

Deutsch believes that learning perfect pitch is like learning a second language in cultures that rely on variable tones—English speakers learn pitch like a first language.



I don't believe so:

Deutsch suggests that for students who speak a tonal language, acquiring absolute pitch is like learning a second language, which becomes much more difficult after a “critical period” of development. For students who speak a nontonal language such as English, however, absolute pitch is more like a first language, for which the critical period occurs at a much younger age. One limitation of the study was that all of the Mandarin speakers from the Chinese institute were also ethnically Chinese, so genetic differences could explain some of the effect.



[Edited on Nov 13, 2004 3:53AM]

EricMetro

EricMetro

Los Angeles, CA
November 2004

NOV 13, 2004 04:00 AM

Very interesting read. smile

jerry031

jerry031

Anchorage, AK
April 2003

NOV 13, 2004 06:22 AM

s5 said:
it appears that you have this part reversed, no?

Deutsch believes that learning perfect pitch is like learning a second language in cultures that rely on variable tones—English speakers learn pitch like a first language.



I think what he's saying is that it's like learning English as a first language all over again, as opposed to learning Spanish as a second lanuage.

Mythicus

Mythicus

Lawnside, NJ
May 2004

NOV 13, 2004 08:01 AM

well, you can have perfect pitch now.

sadboi

sadboi

Charlotte, NC
October 2004

NOV 13, 2004 08:09 AM

i have perfect pitch, but i play bass, so its not really needed

if i sang, it might be a little more useful.

Richie6Fingers

Richie6Fingers

United Kingdom
July 2003

NOV 13, 2004 09:21 AM

Mythony said:
well, you can have perfect pitch now.




thats hilarious
it must be genuine though, right ?
cause they guarantee it 110% !!! eeek wink

Sid

Sid

SUICIDEGIRL

Colorado, USA

NOV 13, 2004 10:33 AM

I only have realtive pitch... and somehow, I still blow at the ear training thing...

Anton

Anton

Australia
September 2003

NOV 13, 2004 10:37 AM

euphplayer said:
I guess I am in that 14 percent. I passed the perfect pitch test in piano class my freshman year at college.


Sing us a song Mr. Euphonium Man.

Bondgirl

Bondgirl

Aberdeen, SD
February 2004

NOV 13, 2004 10:57 AM

Why would they test for perfect pitch in a piano class?

tmronin

tmronin

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

NOV 13, 2004 11:16 AM

a friend of mine in high school had perfect pitch and anal retentive...needless to say, he was an unhappy camper to be around when listening to music. everything was out of tune.

"dude, ozzy is supposed to be out of tune"

ignorance is bliss,
steve

Dr_Zoidberg

Dr_Zoidberg

Raymore, MO
June 2004

NOV 13, 2004 11:29 AM

Anton said:

euphplayer said:
I guess I am in that 14 percent. I passed the perfect pitch test in piano class my freshman year at college.


Sing us a song Mr. Euphonium Man.


I don't have to sing a song. I can tune my euphonium without the use of a tuner or pitch pipe.

WaTed

WaTed

United Kingdom
September 2002

NOV 13, 2004 11:35 AM

euphplayer said:

Anton said:

euphplayer said:
I guess I am in that 14 percent. I passed the perfect pitch test in piano class my freshman year at college.


Sing us a song Mr. Euphonium Man.


I don't have to sing a song. I can tune my euphonium without the use of a tuner or pitch pipe.



Dude, I'll let you in on this one, but don't tell anyone I'm explaining wit to the uninitiated. I'll get the wrong kind of reputation.

It was a joke based on a bastardisation of the lyrics to Mr Tambourine Man, due to your instrument of choice.

People in Australia and the UK are more inclined to use casual sarcasm in conversation. Keep your eyes open for it. wink

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

NOV 13, 2004 11:38 AM

iamabondgirl said:
Why would they test for perfect pitch in a piano class?


I wondered the same thing. confused

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

NOV 13, 2004 11:39 AM

WaTed said:

euphplayer said:

Anton said:

euphplayer said:
I guess I am in that 14 percent. I passed the perfect pitch test in piano class my freshman year at college.


Sing us a song Mr. Euphonium Man.


I don't have to sing a song. I can tune my euphonium without the use of a tuner or pitch pipe.



Dude, I'll let you in on this one, but don't tell anyone I'm explaining wit to the uninitiated. I'll get the wrong kind of reputation.

It was a joke based on a bastardisation of the lyrics to Mr Tambourine Man, due to your instrument of choice.

People in Australia and the UK are more inclined to use casual sarcasm in conversation. Keep your eyes open for it. wink


Actually, it was a bastardized version of "Piano Man" by Billy Joel. wink

WaTed

WaTed

United Kingdom
September 2002

NOV 13, 2004 11:43 AM

Sorcha said:
Actually, it was a bastardized version of "Piano Man" by Billy Joel. wink



blush Thanks for that.

Oh well, at least I picked up on him taking the piss... ooo aaa

Bondgirl

Bondgirl

Aberdeen, SD
February 2004

NOV 13, 2004 12:19 PM

I feel pretty darn cool right now because the one and only Sorcha not only added on to what I said, but actually agreed with me.
I feel not so cool because I actually felt the need to tell everyone this.
*bondgirl goes back under her rock*

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

NOV 13, 2004 12:23 PM

iamabondgirl said:
I feel pretty darn cool right now because the one and only Sorcha not only added on to what I said, but actually agreed with me.
I feel not so cool because I actually felt the need to tell everyone this.
*bondgirl goes back under her rock*


blush

Thanks, but the ladies in pink are way cooler.

Do you play the piano?

hankpiece

hankpiece

Edgewater, NJ
November 2004

NOV 13, 2004 12:24 PM

I just want to say that I cannot stand people with perfect pitch and I'm glad I don't have it. For example, a guitar can be tuned to itself so that A=445 instead of the tradition A=440. To you or me it'll sound fine as long as the strings are all in tune to EACH OTHER, but people with perfect pitch moan and groan. Or, I'll often play a song in a key that's easier for my voice, but the Perfect Pitch people (ooh, alliteration) have to correct you. "You know that song is in F, not Bb" Well, i can't sing it in Bb. Thank you sooooo much.


And I'm spent.

Bondgirl

Bondgirl

Aberdeen, SD
February 2004

NOV 13, 2004 12:24 PM

I took ten years of lessons but it didn't really get me anywhere.
Why, do you tinkle the ivories?

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

NOV 13, 2004 12:27 PM

iamabondgirl said:
I took ten years of lessons but it didn't really get me anywhere.
Why, do you tinkle the ivories?


I've been playing since I was four. Well, sorta. I haven't had my piano since I was 20. My parents said I couldn't have it until I bought a house. They know how expensive it would be to move it and have it re-tuned every time I switched apartments. wink Anyway, I can still play, just not as well since I'm a bit out of practice. I can't wait to have one again.

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