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pmonkeyEsquire

pmonkeyEsquire

I'm lost
May 2004

NOV 14, 2004 07:04 AM

Well, I don't plan on having tots. Probably a good idea, you know, considering the alcoholism.

Jenya

Jenya

HOPEFUL

Azerbaijan

NOV 14, 2004 10:39 AM

yup, count me in, or out as the case may be.

no baby firecrackers for me.
i did originally want them when i was married. but after the divorce my thought processes changed.

i am going to be happily selfish and live my life for me. plus, i do not have the patience at all.

if i could afford to get myself "fixed" i would.

PunkJr

PunkJr

Seattle, WA
January 2003

NOV 14, 2004 10:46 AM

My girlfriend and I are actually breaking up because of this. She has hit the point in her life that she wants to have kids, and I don't ever want to be a father.

So it's best for both of us if we go our separate ways, rather than have one of us unhappy in the relationship.

Isadora

Isadora

SUICIDEGIRL

Virginia, USA

NOV 14, 2004 11:37 AM

i never wanted kids until very recently. 95% of the time, i hate kids. this comes from working too many retail jobs and being a 20yr old only child with an extended family of around 40 under-13-yr olds. i don't relate to them and i think the majority are rude and ill-mannered.

then i realized that in most of the cases, it's not the kid's fault. they're stupid and demonic due to bad parenting. they're the result of people who let tv or drugs raise their kids, who don't impose boundaries etc etc. i still won't like the kid, but i recognize it's not their fault. it's like adopting a puppy-- if you don't take the time to train your puppy and give it attention, it's gonna turn into a dog that shits in the house and growls at everyone. (disclaimer: i know there are some good parents and kids out there. i'm just disillusioned from having seen the very worst of it by working in retail so long.)

so now, i kinda do want a kid, just so i can try to raise her better than that. we've got all these plans; little to no tv, homeschooled but encouraged to join outside clubs or activities groups for socialization skills, allowed to taste (very strong) alcohol and smoke a cigarette at a young age so that she'll find out she doesn't like them and then the "forbidden fruits" issue never comes about, teach her to be respectful of people, etc. and we're going to wait until we're financially secure and completely ready for a kid, if we ever actually do decide to have one. who knows.

but i can completely understand the desire to be childfree. what i can't understand at all is how some people have 10 or 15 kids.

Ophelia

Ophelia

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

NOV 14, 2004 12:38 PM

I don't know how to phrase this without sounding horribly offensive, but I'm going to give it a try.

I have all the respect in the world for people who have kids. I'm constantly amazed when I go out and hear people talking about their daily routines juggling jobs, marriages, and kids, and very happy for friends when they tell me what an enriching, fulfilling experience it's been for them to raise their munchkins.

That being said, the whole idea of doing that myself repulses me. Holding babies doesn't give me the "tug" feeling that Sorcha mentioned at all, it makes me feel nauseated. Even after I've explained this, many friends have tried to get me to change my mind, foisting their babies into my arms, but I always end up heaving and subsequently losing a friend.

If I could afford it right now, I'd love to get my tubes tied. I understand that things can change as you get older, but I don't see myself ever feeling any different about this. And if I do suddenly feel when I'm older that I desperately need a child of my very own I'll adopt. If I can't adopt, I'll get over it. That's the thing that offends me the most when people insist that I'm going to change my mind as I get older. Not only are they assuming that I don't know myself well enough and I haven't thought motherhood over, they assume that I'm incapable of dealing with the disappointment if I ever did decide that I wanted to reproduce. I can understand women feeling robbed if they've always wanted to be a mother but are unable to reproduce, but if I turned 28 and I regretted my decision, I hope I'd have the sense to realise what's done is done and get on with it.

vuc2373

vuc2373

I'm lost
August 2004

NOV 14, 2004 03:52 PM

hermetica said:
Well, guess what? You can travel, see the world, meet new people.. with kids. Just because you see someone in a bad marriage who is having financial trouble, doesnt mean kids are the end of the world. I mentioned earlier in this thread (which seems to be a hatefest against children) that you simply trade in some positive things for other positive things. You have no idea the emotional impact, the love and personal growth, that can develop in you from having a child.It is the most unconditional love a person can experience . Yes, there are lots of people who bite off more than they can chew, or are irresponsible about children and having them, and thats a bloody shame. Another reason for affordable and easily available birth control and abortion on demand. And, if you really have issues or feel from your family background that you'd be a bad parent (I have friends like this), or if you havent found the right person to share the responsibility, fine. Dont do it. But.. I highly recommend not tossing the whole idea out because you wanna go to Europe or youre afraid of financial responsibility or something.Thats just silly. If you dont want em right now, dont have em. But, dont make sweeping assumptions about something youve never experienced.

Edited cause I just saw Sorcha and a few others comments on the last page... kiss kiss girls!

[Edited on Nov 13, 2004 by hermetica]



Perhaps I should mention that his three jobs are Store Manager, Fire Fighter and Soldier...? His wife works, too!
He's in no economic crisis. Well, that is to say, he'd be in no economic crisis, were it not for having to invest so heavilly in a family.
Now, I see your point and agree with it to a certain extent, but really now... Calm down. Breathe deep... Alright. Let's try to talk plainly here.
Have any kids of your own? Ever try maintaining a stable education for them while travelling at your leisure? Provide for them without foregoing your own desires? Maintain a stable illusion of family while they're at impressionable ages?
If you have, please share with me. I'd like to know that SOMEONE out there is doing it successfully. I'll definitely consider the argument then.
smile

[Edited on Nov 14, 2004 by vuc2373]

Cricket

Cricket

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 14, 2004 04:03 PM

I used to want kids
the older i get
the less i want them
i just dont want to have kids and have to do it on my own
and i really dooubt any relationships last foever
so then why have a kid together?
plus i have other plans
plans where kids just dont fit in
i am not going to end up poor, single and have my dreams eaten up by the fact that all my time is taken up by my child.
i know that sounds horrible but thats what happened to my mother and im not going there.

I_Poop_Too_Much

I_Poop_Too_Much

I'm lost
February 2004

NOV 16, 2004 10:52 AM

Ophelia Holding babies doesn't give me the "tug" feeling that Sorcha mentioned at all, it makes me feel nauseated.



Exactly the same here.

I'm waiting until I hear that jewel of a line from someone..."What happens when you meet 'the right one' and they want kids?" Well, guess what? "The Right One" isn't going to want kids. No matter how close to perfect, wanting children is far enough away from perfect that it's an absolute deal breaker. Well, I shouldn't use the word "perfect" as there is no "perfect" person and I dont expect "the one" to be absolutely free of fault....but kids? No. NO.

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