NEWS: "Fahrenheit 9/11" Forgoes Academy Award Consideration

wont win best picture. then again i could be wrong

LOUDLY! YOU CAN DO IT!

WOO HOO! MIKE ROCKS! SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT PROUD!

That's what everyone thought about "Titanic"...

here is one of many websites dedicated to michael moore's "truth"

Could be that time he charged the families of Columbine victims to view a "special" screening of Bowling for Columbine.

Right back atcha.

[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 9:16PM]

I'm sure Micheal Moore can back up everything he claims as fact in that movie with citations. That, however doesn't make the movie a documentary. The film is, by definition ,propraganda. He wil only ever present one side of an argument.

I like Moore's work, and I think he's very good at what he does, but please don't ever mistake him for be an objective source of information.

This is something I feel very strongly about not only as someone who is very political, but also as a filmmaker. There are 2 types of documentary, one which merely presents the viewer with facts and footage, and the other which presents a narrative and usually has some point of view. Moore is a brilliant filmmaker. His work is very important, funny, interesting, and he'll be the first to admit that his films take a stance. I think the fact that he says he's taking a side is important because a lot of times you don't get that and get fed stuff pretending to be neutral. In this film there is no neutrality, however everything is true, it all happened, and about the twisting its generally used as a comedic device or simply to serve the narrative thread but doesn't change the actual fact. There is no part of the movie that is fictious. I also believe that the movie actually stands a good chance of making it on tv, first because the dvd will have new material and bonus features which will inspire some to buy it along with the fact that its a good movie and people will want to own it, and secondly because there is so much hatred in this country for the Bush administration that as a means to get him out some channel will definatly air it, although probably not a big broadcast channel (especially since they're all owned by giant corporations that aren't too friendly with Moore to begin with), but PBS does sound viable. Also this wasn't a Miramax film, it was released under a separate company, although by Weinstien (looks like in a couple of years there won't be a miramax anyway) so that company is in control of the distribution and would definatly be more flexible to allowing a one off tv showing. Moore deserves a best documentary award and its understandable why he wouldn't go for one, and I honestly doubt there's any chance for best picture (although I'd definatly put it in with the top movies of the year), and this is for another reason: the academy hates him. They wouldn't even grant him rights permission to put his acceptence speech on the "Bowling For Columbine" DVD because they were so angry at him. They would have given him a best doc nomination simply because theres no way they couldn't, but they probably wouldn't have actually given him the award.

True, all films should be judged on a sliding scale and unless leni riefenstahl is making the film...or the gov't is pushing it down your throat...it isn't propaganda. It's just a film, please find me a film or any piece of art for that matter that isn't subjective.

[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]

pascalpp said:


If you want to find an example of propaganda, a better place to look would be the CNN and Fox News networks. These are broadcasting 24-hours a day into people's homes, into bars, airports, and even schools. The exert a large amount of influence over the minds of their viewers and are difficult to avoid, frequently having the luxury of a captive audience. Their messaging is repeated and pervasive, and often misleading. They groom the audience to be sympathetic to their state and corporate masters by bending some truths and suppressing others. THAT is propaganda.



Some schools have "free" news shows during homeroom, complete with commercials spewing scantily clad Brittany Spears to push sex and soda on 5th, 6th, and 7th graders. Having things like these in our classrooms where students are "forced" (read encouraged to be quiet) to watch sounds like propaganda to me.

You don't know man, you weren't there!


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you have a hero of our time and you don't even get it.
duh
americans

Heavens. This isn't at all inflammatory.

But seriously, would you like to expand on this and tell us exactly what you mean?

Watching the Awful Truth, and remembering TV Nation, and the first film I've ever seen by him, Rodger & Me, he's never been anything different than what he ever was.

Is he biased? Yes.
Does he deny this? No.
Do his films show bias? Yes.
Does he deny this? No.

If you think that the American news media isn't biased, then you haven't read enough FOX memos.

Moore brings to light the things that the American press won't touch. Things that are deemed off limits, like the 'watch this drive' clip. It's not the remark that stings, but the fact that bush can't even make up an initiative that he's working on... It doesn't take a genious to lie about this.

People seem to think that Michael Moore has some big thing to gain. As if he was guiding his own fame or fortunes. It's only in the recent years that Moore has found fame, but he's still been the same person.

Nobody has to like his style of activism, that's not the point, but he certainly isn't self serving, or a 'bad' guy.

That site is blatantly ignorant and slanderous. Moore is for the terrorists because he is against the bombing of Afghanistan? What? Hmmm... A majority of the hijackers were Saudis, so it makes sense to bomb, Afghanistan.

The whole, you're either X or your Y debate is pure partisan GOP blather. It's based in bluster and rhetoric, and is only designed to fire up the people to consent to whatever is wanted to be done.... Iraq? Osama? War? No Problem.

It's a joke.

[Edited on Sep 08, 2004 by Sadistic_Miike]

The only joke is people backing Michael Moore in any fashion.

You make a completely lucid point and back it up with attention to detail and sound rebuttle.*









* oh wait, today is opposite day.

God, I wish I was as clever as you.

I'm just past getting in political debates anymore, you never get anywhere doing so. So that comment was just meant to ruffle your feathers. Awww, and it did.

I like Michael Moore's movies because they're very thought provoking -- the thing I don't care for about Michael Moore's films is there's only so much of his humor you can take, and he's pretty bad at holding a camera and framing a picture (never mind lighting).

But ... his content is without question very good.