NEWS: "Fahrenheit 9/11" Forgoes Academy Award Consideration

CULTURE: "Fahrenheit 9/11" Forgoes Academy Award Consideration

With hopes of airing Fahrenheit 9/11 on American television prior to the upcoming presidential election, Michael Moore has opted to not submit the film for "Best Documentary" consideration at this year's Oscars.

The Academy rules prohibit airing a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release.

I sure would like Michael Moore a lot more if he wasn't a liar and propogandist. Have to give him some credit, nobody can spin the facts quite like he can.

Wow, he's even self-aggrandizing when he's trying to be humble.

Kudos to him, though I sincerely doubt a distribution company would allow such a thing; at least not for free.

i've not really been following michael moore recently so why exactly is he a liar and propogandist?

i admire what he's done in the past.

[Edited on Sep 07, 2004 by sync]

I heard he was going for best picture. I guess I was wrong.

thats right, facts. he may have a partisan spin, but fahrenheit 9/11 is a film based on facts. as opposed to bush's reasons for the war, which were lies, with or without governmental spin.

i applaud moore, anything that gets the texan world-wrecker out of office at the first hurdle is good in my book.

especially when the oscar was a shoo-in

his distribution didn't protest when he voiced support for the downloading of the film earlier this year. While I'm sure part of this decision has motivations based in the fellating of moores ego, I do believe that part of Moore believes he's helping the country with this film and his antics. That's up for argument, but it's not an argument I want to get involved in.

Comments like this bug the shit out of me, why is it just accepted that Michael Moore is a liar, all of the facts in his movie are just that, facts, see for yourself here.

His opinions are mildly present during the movie, and it isn't difficult to tell the difference between his opinions, and facts...

nope, you were right. he's still elligible for the big prize, just not the documentary one.

now, if only super size me could win best documentary...

Opinions or not, who cares? facts are facts. Look at FNC, they are extraordinarily biased, but some of their subject matter is fact - this is irrefutible. the only problem is they don't tell you what's fact and what's not - you have to decide for yourself.

i don't particularly like michael moore - i find him abrasive, bullish and, frankly, annoying. but he's a hell of a film maker and he gets his facts right. he went to extraordinary lengths to make sure that this film was factual, even more so than his last two because he knew that this one would be very heavily scrutinized, especially by the Right.

more power to him - he's passing up the best chance he's ever going to have to get the best, most improtant recognition availible in his field - and all for his beliefs. I wish I could say my conviction was that strong in anything I did.

If 9/11 isn't up for Best Documentary I don't see how anything else will top Super Size Me. I heard he hopes to air this on PBS on November 1st. Maybe all rumors who knows, i hope it happens though. It could change alot of people's minds.

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giving it up for immediate televison distribution ?
seems like a high High HIGH price to pay to make a point
what about DVD sales? $$$$$$$
there must be a catch - Miramax is not so liberal that its stupid enough to blow ALL that money

all that money - of which Moore promised to donate to charities (see michael moore really does hate america!)

no mainstream american television will touch it with a ten foot pole
they couldnt even get that reagan pseudo-biopic to show

Cmon, Michael Moore is not a propagandist. You might think he's a liar, but it takes more than lies to make propaganda.

Propaganda historically comes in the form of repeated messaging from state- or corporate-controlled media, designed to indoctrinate its viewers with views that are sympathetic to said state or corporate powers. Propaganda is usually free and omnipresent, leveraging the mass influence of its creators to saturate its audience.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is one movie for which people are lining up to pay $10 to see. Michael Moore does not force people to see this movie. He does not have any real control over whether people see it or not. He tries his darnedest, and he's obnoxious about it, but ultimately people decide for themselves whether to see it or not. It's easy to avoid.

If you want to find an example of propaganda, a better place to look would be the CNN and Fox News networks. These are broadcasting 24-hours a day into people's homes, into bars, airports, and even schools. The exert a large amount of influence over the minds of their viewers and are difficult to avoid, frequently having the luxury of a captive audience. Their messaging is repeated and pervasive, and often misleading. They groom the audience to be sympathetic to their state and corporate masters by bending some truths and suppressing others. THAT is propaganda.

PS. The sky is falling!

Not until an anti-Moore site was providing it for free download.

Unfortunately, he only backs up small portions of his broad statements. There are some interesting counterpoints here, here, here, here, and here. There are dozens more, if you'd like me to e-mail them to you.

i sort of agree with all of you... sort of... he is not a propagandist "by definition" however he is a liar, (by definition)... Fahrenheit 9/11 is riddled with twisted facts... facts, yes, twisted YES!!! he takes almost every quote in that movie out of context... and he manipulates timelines in order to prove his point, (which is usually a manipulated fact)... he also doesn't acknowledge the fact that all in office are still human, therefore they all have minds of their own... Moore acts like every government official, (republican anyway), should be on the same page as the pres and vice at all times... i think it is obvious Moore really dislikes the pres and is willing to do anything to get him out of office... unfortunatly this gifted documentarian has sacrificed his "art" "career" for a political voice he can't possible support for too long...

fact about me.... i really don't like Bush, i really don't like moore...


fentopal's sites are great if you want some references... i just started this before he posted... and finished after he went up...

'Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority.'

Wait a second.

What the hell does that even mean?

I dunno, maybe getting a president who got the majority of votes?

it is referred to the 2000 contested elections.

propagandist? you bet. He's the first to say so. Liar? hardly.

I think most people here realize that a lot of voters aren't voting for the right reasons, or based on bad information. That's why they originally created the electoral college, they didn't trust the public, and honestly, do you?

Here's the thing though, I don't like Bush, or Kerry for that matter, so don't think I'm on the defensive. It's just that I hate Moore so much, he's just such a sleezebag. He doesn't necessarily lie, but he twists things around so much you can't tell the difference; that's enough reason for me to distrust him.

cool for Mike, hopefully this means Control Room will pick up Best Doc.

Yea. A great movie. Considerably more worthy of a best documentary award.

As far as Moore, I'm sure he hopes this will make him a serious contender for Best Picture. Doubtful, but Best Director I could see happening.

Yay. *quietly waves "I Like Mike" flag*

How on earth can you drum up personal hatred for a filmmaker? There's a reason he earns Oscars. His films are smart, entertaining, emotional, original and make a compelling case for his personal point of view.

If you can't "tell the difference", perhaps you should learn more about yourself - work on your own powers of logic and reasoning, and stop buying into the drivel from the hate jockeys that feed your ignorance.

You're absolutely right. It's a strategic move. He figures the academy will want to nominate it for SOMETHING.

Also, he wants it aired on television, before the election in November. It it airs on television, it can't be entered into the documentary category, but can still be for Best Picture.