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BigBuddha

BigBuddha

Wethersfield, CT
July 2004

AUG 29, 2004 07:37 PM

MrStitches said:

handle said:

MisterSatan said:
Where's Waldo?!

confused



Think about it. Nobody knows where the guy is. He could just board a plane with the vest of explosives and the FBI would never be wise to it. Do you really wan't this suspiciously American (what's with all the stripey red white and blue clothing?) artist of stealth as your childs role model?

[Edited on Aug 28, 2004 by handle]



No, it's because waldo's gay. Proven fact.




I dont know about all that, but I remember that on one page it was a beach theme and there were two instances of topless females. whatever

AlienEeeter

AlienEeeter

Akron, OH
May 2004

AUG 29, 2004 08:10 PM

walkswithbears said:
to kill a mockingbird? beloved?

what kind of halfwit would want to ban them?

skull



Have you ever *read* Beloved? (Or even worse, seeing the movie.) That was some fucked up shit. I read it in senior english. smile I think it's a beautiful book.

Either none of the parents from my school ever asked their children what they were learning, or else they just didn't give a fuck. Probably both.

I've read about a quarter of this list, and I can see why people have decided that they are offensive, but kids need to see offensive material. I mean, what do parents think real life is? And anyone in high school should be able to make their own decisions on what they should or shouldn't read.



[Edited on Aug 29, 2004 by AlienEeeter]

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

AUG 29, 2004 08:19 PM

as for James and the Giant Peach, let me refresh your memories with a brief plot summary: James eats some magic pills given to him by a strange little man and proceeds to soar around the world on a giant peach with some enormous talking bugs.

TheAngus

theangus

Raleigh, NC
January 2004

AUG 29, 2004 09:07 PM

coughee said:
as for James and the Giant Peach, let me refresh your memories with a brief plot summary: James eats some magic pills given to him by a strange little man and proceeds to soar around the world on a giant peach with some enormous talking bugs.



sounds like something public school kids would be into. biggrin

*burn*

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

AUG 29, 2004 09:08 PM

theangus said:

coughee said:
as for James and the Giant Peach, let me refresh your memories with a brief plot summary: James eats some magic pills given to him by a strange little man and proceeds to soar around the world on a giant peach with some enormous talking bugs.



sounds like something public school kids would be into. biggrin

*burn*



hey, I thought it was a documentary.

jholtsnider

jholtsnider

I'm lost
February 2004

AUG 29, 2004 09:29 PM

handle said:
Nay! I am a firm proponent that number 36. Final Exit by Derek Humphry, should be mandatory reading for high school freshmen. If they're gonna do it, they might as well do it right!



Hmm. I'm against banning books - any books. But this one tested me. A "how to" for suicide... I'm not a fan. And I strongly disagree that teens should be reading it; it was written for terminally ill people so that they could die with dignity. Teens generally attempt suicide as a "cry for help."

Still... no book should be banned.

jholtsnider

jholtsnider

I'm lost
February 2004

AUG 29, 2004 09:35 PM

tattooedblue22 said:

slimjim said:

handle said:
Nay! I am a firm proponent that number 36. Final Exit by Derek Humphry, should be mandatory reading for high school freshmen. If they're gonna do it, they might as well do it right!



Hmm. I'm against banning books - any books. But this one tested me. A "how to" for suicide... I'm not a fan. And I strongly disagree that teens should be reading it; it was written for terminally ill people so that they could die with dignity. Teens generally attempt suicide as a "cry for help."

Still... no book should be banned.



I think someone noted earlier that a book may make the list b/c alot of SCHOOLS ban a book. I agree I don't think this one should be in Junior high
or high schools, but it should be, and in most cases is, widely available otherwise. There is always Amazon and other net based stores to get at em now wink



Yeah, I saw that. I was mainly responding to handle's assertation that it should be required reading for high school kids... Anyways, I made my point. smile

Snowbear

Snowbear

Edmonton, AB
July 2004

AUG 29, 2004 10:25 PM

valexis said:
So, the first book I teach to my students is Bridge to Terabithia. Am I destroying their gentle, virgin minds?

Why on earth is that on the list? Is it because of the hippies? Who is against hippies in 2004? eeek



Fuckin' Hippies. They say they want to change the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell funny.

-Eric Cartman

Amadio

amadio

Salt Lake City, UT
October 2002

AUG 29, 2004 10:42 PM

Thanks for the link, that was a good read.

wottan

wottan

Vancouver, BC
July 2004

AUG 29, 2004 11:34 PM

[As far as fantasy, The bible is the most historically accurate work of the ancient world, and vastly more verifiable than many works that people accept as fact.[quote[

In some ways I would agree with this. Besides the fantastical(In that they are amazing, not necessarily fictional) it is a good record of the leaders and peoples of that area in a time basically before most history was recorded.
To compare to another example which I hope supports my point. Herodotus who is considered by historians to be the 'father of history'(and the 'father of lies' ironically) included many fantastical elements in his histories, like godly interventions and appearances, like the runner to marathon encountering Pan. Yet people still consider Herodotus one of the best surviving sources of history as to what happened, partly because he is one of the few people who have anything surviving in modern times. Just like the bible is one of the only sources of anecdotal origin stories of a certain group of people. You cant discount histories because they include a few culutural religious occurance. And even though the deific occurances in the bible are very forefront, and are the main point, that doesnt mean we should ignore much of the information we can glean from it.

Its all about context, when there is very little to go on, you tend to look at what you have more closely to see what it could have inside. And t his is not to say that the bible is a very reliable source, but the details surrounding the deific elements are still noteworthy, as some have at least been corroborated to a limited extent, showing they arent just a pack of lies.

Flick

Flick

SUICIDEGIRL

Ontario, Canada

AUG 29, 2004 11:51 PM

Morgan said:
Wow...I still have trouble grasping the fact that anyone would be evil enough to want to BAN a book.

Or stupid enough.



Oh that is simple... it is all about

thought crimes: WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH..

karaokejihad

karaokejihad

Saint Paul, MN
December 2002

AUG 30, 2004 01:36 PM

slimjim said:

handle said:
Nay! I am a firm proponent that number 36. Final Exit by Derek Humphry, should be mandatory reading for high school freshmen. If they're gonna do it, they might as well do it right!



I'm conflicted. I'm against banning books. But do teens need to be reading a book about how to kill themselves more effectively? I dunno.



i doubt a book is going to make them more apt to kill themselves. plus there's a million good books to have your kids read. and call me ignorant, but i haven't heard of that one, to busy reading other fantastic books.

ThisIsWhoWeAre

ThisIsWhoWeAre

Oakland, CA
July 2004

AUG 30, 2004 02:07 PM

Tom Sawyer and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

Amazing.

Now is it because of their disobediant natures, and rebellious antics, or just because of a character named "Nigger Jim"?

If they can just stay away from Huck Finn, kids today will never hear that word anywhere else.

Chancy

Chancy

Markham, ON
July 2004

AUG 30, 2004 03:59 PM

tattooedblue22 said:

valexis said:
So, the first book I teach to my students is Bridge to Terabithia. Am I destroying their gentle, virgin minds?

Why on earth is that on the list? Is it because of the hippies? Who is against hippies in 2004? eeek



Bridge to Terabithia, wow, haven't even heard that title in years. That book changed my life perspective when I read it.



i havta say i second that wow... that was one of the first books i read ahead of the class to find out what happens. still one of the best books i've read.

cest_la_mae

cest_la_mae

Suncook, NH
January 2004

AUG 30, 2004 04:14 PM

Tigereyes challenged my view of the world.
Until I read it I had no idea that teens drink and almost have sex.

Gwendolyn

Gwendolyn

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

SEP 04, 2004 05:04 AM

Fiend said:

lostarchitect said:

mitsukomori said:
A light in the Attic is on that list. Whaaaaa?



incest.



Are you serious?



Incest? Huh?

irenzero

irenzero

Minneapolis, MN
January 2004

SEP 04, 2004 09:56 AM

rottenart said:

TexaSGuy said:
Would someone kindly explain to me how books like "James and the Giant Peach", "Where's Waldo", "Slaughterhouse Five", "Lord of the Flies", "The Outsiders", "What’s Happening to my Body? Book for Girls: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Daughters", "The Goosebumps Series", "Of Mice and Men", and the "Scary Stories series" made this list, yet wildly popular books like "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "The Divine Comedy" are nowhere to be found??

I mean, "Fear and Loathing" is about a fucking drug binge, rape, and every other imagineable felony short of murder during a crime spree in Las Vegas (well, not literally, but read any conservative book review of it and that's what it'll say). And "The Divine Comedy" is about Hell, yet "Where's Waldo" is somehow more improper or unPC than that??



hello, right-wing conservative logic. screwy, ain't it?



Let's not forget the left wing 'to protect the children' mentality that has been used to ban books, and that Tipper Gore used to pressure Al into holding congressional hearing about the evils of rock music.

MarginWalker2002

MarginWalker2002

San Diego, CA
April 2004

SEP 04, 2004 10:36 AM

This whole banning of books is insanity. I own near to 50 of the boos on that list and would be proud to say "My kid read *insert name of book here*". Banning is not necessary. Now, holding off on a book like "To Kill a Mockingbird" until the kids are in Junior High or High School is perfectly acceptable, but it doesn't need to be banned. Keeping a book like 'Sex' out of an elementary school is common sense. It doesn't need to be banned.

It's just plain stupid.

I shall now work to aquire the rest of the books on the list. Okay, maybe not the TekWar books. Shatner writes like shit... wink

Deux

Deux

Oak Grove, KY
January 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:43 PM

MarginWalker2002 said:
This whole banning of books is insanity. I own near to 50 of the boos on that list and would be proud to say "My kid read *insert name of book here*". Banning is not necessary. Now, holding off on a book like "To Kill a Mockingbird" until the kids are in Junior High or High School is perfectly acceptable, but it doesn't need to be banned. Keeping a book like 'Sex' out of an elementary school is common sense. It doesn't need to be banned.

It's just plain stupid.

I shall now work to aquire the rest of the books on the list. Okay, maybe not the TekWar books. Shatner writes like shit... wink



He... doesn't... act... much better... either.

wink

walkswithbears

walkswithbears

United Kingdom
March 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:50 PM

irenzero said:

rottenart said:

TexaSGuy said:
Would someone kindly explain to me how books like "James and the Giant Peach", "Where's Waldo", "Slaughterhouse Five", "Lord of the Flies", "The Outsiders", "What’s Happening to my Body? Book for Girls: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Daughters", "The Goosebumps Series", "Of Mice and Men", and the "Scary Stories series" made this list, yet wildly popular books like "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "The Divine Comedy" are nowhere to be found??

I mean, "Fear and Loathing" is about a fucking drug binge, rape, and every other imagineable felony short of murder during a crime spree in Las Vegas (well, not literally, but read any conservative book review of it and that's what it'll say). And "The Divine Comedy" is about Hell, yet "Where's Waldo" is somehow more improper or unPC than that??



hello, right-wing conservative logic. screwy, ain't it?



Let's not forget the left wing 'to protect the children' mentality that has been used to ban books, and that Tipper Gore used to pressure Al into holding congressional hearing about the evils of rock music.


if you're saying that tipper gore and her delusional pmrc group are left-wing, then you are very very wrong. tipper is a right-wing stalwart, and the congressional hearing was an initiative of the right

Typhon

Typhon

Iceland
June 2004

SEP 04, 2004 01:40 PM

Flick said:

Morgan said:
Wow...I still have trouble grasping the fact that anyone would be evil enough to want to BAN a book.

Or stupid enough.



Oh that is simple... it is all about

thought crimes: WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH..



I still wish i hadn't read 1984. The way the government purposefully, hatefully truncated the english word in the book and the way people talk now scares me. "oh, he's IMing me right now, talk to you later." "ROTFLMAO." "I'm d/ling some porn right now, talk later." When does an acronym become a verb? If anyone can guess what this means, you get a gold star, or a punch in the mouth.

WWWDWOA?

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

SEP 04, 2004 01:44 PM

W W W D W O A

What would we do without our amplifiers?

irenzero

irenzero

Minneapolis, MN
January 2004

SEP 05, 2004 01:05 PM

walkswithbears said:

irenzero said:

rottenart said:

TexaSGuy said:
Would someone kindly explain to me how books like "James and the Giant Peach", "Where's Waldo", "Slaughterhouse Five", "Lord of the Flies", "The Outsiders", "What’s Happening to my Body? Book for Girls: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Daughters", "The Goosebumps Series", "Of Mice and Men", and the "Scary Stories series" made this list, yet wildly popular books like "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "The Divine Comedy" are nowhere to be found??

I mean, "Fear and Loathing" is about a fucking drug binge, rape, and every other imagineable felony short of murder during a crime spree in Las Vegas (well, not literally, but read any conservative book review of it and that's what it'll say). And "The Divine Comedy" is about Hell, yet "Where's Waldo" is somehow more improper or unPC than that??



hello, right-wing conservative logic. screwy, ain't it?



Let's not forget the left wing 'to protect the children' mentality that has been used to ban books, and that Tipper Gore used to pressure Al into holding congressional hearing about the evils of rock music.


if you're saying that tipper gore and her delusional pmrc group are left-wing, then you are very very wrong. tipper is a right-wing stalwart, and the congressional hearing was an initiative of the right



1) There is a Left wing 'for the children' line that has been used by people like Hillary Clinton to censor or suggest censorship.

2) I know and you know that Tipper is a right wing nut, but most americans under the age of 25 have bought into the lie that she and Al are good little liberals.

3) my over all point was the censorship comes from the hard right and the hard left as a way to control the flow if Ideas and Information to the public.

4) The PMRC hearings were a 'For the Children' event, not a 'It's against the Bible' event, and it seems the most people in this thread see the banning of books (and really why bother when so many people don't want the challenge of reading) as a right wing christian only method of social control.

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