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Kayla

Kayla

Dublin, CA
June 2003

AUG 13, 2004 02:18 PM

I think you need to see a psychiatrist.

You obviously have a lot of rage built up inside you.

Two teenage girls teased you so you picked up a rock and thought about possibly killing them. Because they teased you.

You said you picked up a big rock, yet they didn't see it.
You must've been really far away or maybe the rock wasn't that big. Not hard to see a big rock in someones hand.

They were wrong for starting this. They should be taught better at home. You were wrong for continuing it. You should've walked home and thought "Stupid fucking teenagers." and then complained to your friends about what assholes they were.

You should NOT have followed them and picked up a rock with the thought of causing them serious bodily injury. You said they "wouldn't let you pass"
How were they not letting you pass? By just standing there? You couldn't walk around them? Turn around and walk the other way?

I'm sorry, I do not see how, ultimately, you are the victim. You should not have been verbally harassed and that is sad. You could have just walked away. You chose not to. I wouldn't be surprised if those girls were just scared and thats why they cried rape, to get a cops attention and to get you away from them.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

AUG 13, 2004 02:21 PM

Yeah, they were probably just being asses and then got scared when they got more than just a small reaction from you.

But I see Kayla's point quite a bit. I was teased all the time when I was a kid and when I was in high school. I was actually pushed down the steps by two bullies who ended up cracking two of my ribs, just because I was queer. Compared to that, words are nothing. I know that it can hurt quite a lot to be teased but the best thing to do is just walk away. Walking away doesn't make you a "pushover" it makes you smart. There's no need to take a verbal confrontation and make it a physical one, or even make it more intense. Just let the confrontation be completely one-sided, and leave.

People have said several times "what if it were a girl and two guys did that to her"? But if I were in that situation, I would STILL just walk away. If I was scared, I would find a cop and explain to them what was going on, or go into a public building where I was more safe. Escalating the situation just puts everyone involved in more danger.

[Edited on Aug 13, 2004 by Morgan]

Kayla

Kayla

Dublin, CA
June 2003

AUG 13, 2004 02:23 PM

Oh, I've been in similar situations, actually, much worse and I HAVE walked away.

Me being 13 at the time, 115 lbs, against two much older guys probably 200 lbs. I was scared out of my fucking mind, and i sobbed the whole way home, but i WALKED AWAY.

Kayla

Kayla

Dublin, CA
June 2003

AUG 13, 2004 02:23 PM

Morgan said:
Escalating the situation just puts everyone involved in more danger.

[Edited on Aug 13, 2004 by Morgan]



exactly.

Kayla

Kayla

Dublin, CA
June 2003

AUG 13, 2004 02:26 PM

what happened when the cops came over? did you drop the rock? throw it? i'm curious what they had to say about you holding a big rock in your hands and walking towards two teenage girls who claim you were about to rape them.

Kayla

Kayla

Dublin, CA
June 2003

AUG 13, 2004 02:28 PM

I'm about to have to walk away....from this thread.

I keep re-reading things you've posted and finding amazing flaws in them.

You should have kicked them in the head as soon as they opened their mouths?! DO YOU HAVE NO SELF RESTRAINT?

I'm calling you a jackass right here and right now, i deserve to be kicked in the head for it?

You were totally out of line and the fact that you think these girls should be beaten for it just proves my point. I have to go back and work now, but your attitude is going to get you in big fucking trouble one day.

Someone verbally taunting you does NOT give you the right to hit them with a fucking rock.

UnnecessaryZ

unnecessaryz

Astoria, NY
July 2003

AUG 13, 2004 02:33 PM

Kayla said:

Morgan said:
Escalating the situation just puts everyone involved in more danger.

[Edited on Aug 13, 2004 by Morgan]



exactly.



Unless you're fighting for your teacher's honor. And you replace "teenage girls" with "rival kung-fu school that just firebombed your temple in the night."

plasticfangs

plasticfangs

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

AUG 13, 2004 02:33 PM

See? Not to start a whole other debate, and NOT to try to defend anyone's actions ( I wasn't there, I can't judge)...BUT:

Because it was two girls against a male, it was TEASING. But if it had been two guys against a woman, it would have been ATTACKING, or THREATENING. That's what most people would say, isn't it? So why is there a difference???

Shit, man. I've seen a couple of gutter punk chicks do the same shit to some young kid, only they threw shit at him and spit on him. And the kid just put his head down, and tried to get away without touching them. It was disgusting to watch, and other people around were laughing about it. Humanity sucks.



[Edited on Aug 13, 2004 by plasticfangs]

hypnogogic

hypnogogic

Vancouver, WA
June 2004

AUG 13, 2004 02:34 PM

Kayla said:
I think you need to see a psychiatrist.

You obviously have a lot of rage built up inside you.

Two teenage girls teased you so you picked up a rock and thought about possibly killing them. Because they teased you.

You said you picked up a big rock, yet they didn't see it.
You must've been really far away or maybe the rock wasn't that big. Not hard to see a big rock in someones hand.

They were wrong for starting this. They should be taught better at home. You were wrong for continuing it. You should've walked home and thought "Stupid fucking teenagers." and then complained to your friends about what assholes they were.

You should NOT have followed them and picked up a rock with the thought of causing them serious bodily injury. You said they "wouldn't let you pass"
How were they not letting you pass? By just standing there? You couldn't walk around them? Turn around and walk the other way?

I'm sorry, I do not see how, ultimately, you are the victim. You should not have been verbally harassed and that is sad. You could have just walked away. You chose not to. I wouldn't be surprised if those girls were just scared and thats why they cried rape, to get a cops attention and to get you away from them.



That's such bullshit, I am not the victim? how could I not be? I was not the victim because I picked up a rock?

If one the them had hit me and I shoved them, would that make me not the victim?

The rock was small enough to hide in my hand and I dropped it as soon as I saw the cops across the street.

I never wanted to kill them, I was angry. How many times have you heard people say "I'm going to kill them" when they are pissed, they do not really want to kill.

I am not dumb, I know that chasing them was stupid, I was pissed off and hurt and wanted to do something about it.

I think you and others are missing the point, this was not a simple teasing. I was assaulted, I was verbally attacked by 2 very angry people who appeared to want to hurt me, they were spewing hatred and venom from their mouths.

They would not let me pass, I tried to get passed them several times, I could not have passed them without knocking them on the ground and running away. After my first attempts to get away, I was simply in shock, trying to figure out who they were and what the hell I did wrong. Why did they hate me so much?

You are very insensitive and I am sure you will never see it my way. You cannot understand until it happens to you.

I am not going to aplogize for picking up a rock. I reacted to a threat. I know that I would not have hit them with the rock.

This whole thread has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

I shared something personal with everyone to find out if ti happened to any other men and I have been attacked repeatedly for doing out of basic instinct.

I would never hurt anyone.

hypnogogic

hypnogogic

Vancouver, WA
June 2004

AUG 13, 2004 02:36 PM

Kayla said:
what happened when the cops came over? did you drop the rock? throw it? i'm curious what they had to say about you holding a big rock in your hands and walking towards two teenage girls who claim you were about to rape them.




Nobody saw the rock, I dropped it. The girls just ran off laughing and screaming rape. The cops all came over and surrounded me.

For all they know, I was just standing there. I was not running, I was not holding the rock.

Valen

valen

Manhattan, KS
January 2004

AUG 13, 2004 02:37 PM

Kayla said:
I'm about to have to walk away....from this thread.

I keep re-reading things you've posted and finding amazing flaws in them.

You should have kicked them in the head as soon as they opened their mouths?! DO YOU HAVE NO SELF RESTRAINT?

I'm calling you a jackass right here and right now, i deserve to be kicked in the head for it?

You were totally out of line and the fact that you think these girls should be beaten for it just proves my point. I have to go back and work now, but your attitude is going to get you in big fucking trouble one day.

Someone verbally taunting you does NOT give you the right to hit them with a fucking rock.


whatever
Let me get this straight.

1 - 2 people walk up to a complete stranger and belittle, demean, and insult that person for 5 minutes. They call this strangers a faggot for god only knows what reason.

2 - They finally get bored assaulting him and walk off.

3 - The person is now mentally shaken and decided to follow.

4 - When the victim catches up, he is accused of rape and almost arrested.

Who is the jackass in this situation?

Accusing a person of rape when they are innocent is one of the worst accusations you can make. It is guilty until proven innocent situation in the minds of everyone. I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks doing this to a complete stranger is their idea of fun and entertainment. That is the lowest kind of person.

hypnogogic

hypnogogic

Vancouver, WA
June 2004

AUG 13, 2004 02:37 PM

Kayla said:
I'm about to have to walk away....from this thread.

I keep re-reading things you've posted and finding amazing flaws in them.

You should have kicked them in the head as soon as they opened their mouths?! DO YOU HAVE NO SELF RESTRAINT?

I'm calling you a jackass right here and right now, i deserve to be kicked in the head for it?

You were totally out of line and the fact that you think these girls should be beaten for it just proves my point. I have to go back and work now, but your attitude is going to get you in big fucking trouble one day.

Someone verbally taunting you does NOT give you the right to hit them with a fucking rock.




I never said that they deserved to be kicked in the head. I said i showed restraint by not kicking them, because you hear of people getting beat up all the time for mouthing off to people.

PullOffMyWings

PullOffMyWings

HOPEFUL

Mission Viejo, CA

AUG 13, 2004 02:39 PM

Racer_X said:
If you are a guy and are accused of rape you are guilty until proven innocent.



not true if the girl is a dancer

speaking from experience

fuckin government

hypnogogic

hypnogogic

Vancouver, WA
June 2004

AUG 13, 2004 02:40 PM

hypnogogic said:

Kayla said:
I'm about to have to walk away....from this thread.

I keep re-reading things you've posted and finding amazing flaws in them.

You should have kicked them in the head as soon as they opened their mouths?! DO YOU HAVE NO SELF RESTRAINT?

I'm calling you a jackass right here and right now, i deserve to be kicked in the head for it?

You were totally out of line and the fact that you think these girls should be beaten for it just proves my point. I have to go back and work now, but your attitude is going to get you in big fucking trouble one day.

Someone verbally taunting you does NOT give you the right to hit them with a fucking rock.




I never said that they deserved to be kicked in the head. I said i showed restraint by not kicking them, because you hear of people getting beat up all the time for mouthing off to people.



"I never would have hit them with it. I ahve never hit anyone in my life. I am not a violent person. I know lots of people that probably would have punched, kicked, stabbed or just shot those girls for doing what they did. You do not walk up to a total stranger on the street and start shit with him and not expect to get the crap beat out of you. I think I showed alot of restrain my not just kicking them in the head when they first opened their mouths."


hypnogogic

hypnogogic

Vancouver, WA
June 2004

AUG 13, 2004 02:49 PM

frown

[Edited on Aug 13, 2004 by hypnogogic]

seriously regretting ever posting this.

where is the TOPIC CLOSED when you need it?

[Edited on Aug 13, 2004 by hypnogogic]

Valen

valen

Manhattan, KS
January 2004

AUG 13, 2004 03:01 PM

Yeah, I think this discussion is over at this point.

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