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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

JUL 26, 2004 01:21 AM

Very rarely, we are confronted with the intersection of radically different disciplines. Sometimes, some new play gives us insight into the nature of mathematics or a motion picture gives us insight to passion of an astronomer. In this case, particle physics will lend its insight so that we can hear something that no one has heard in over one hundred and fifty years: Abraham Lincoln’s voice during the American Civil War and the poet Walt Whitman.

The dulcet tones of movers and shakers from an earlier age could soon be heard once again, thanks to scientists Vitaliy Fadeyev and Carl Haber, who usually work with subatomic particles at the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. They are now planning to use that technology to give a voice to the great and the good down the annals of history. […]
Their first experiments involved extracting high quality sound from old shellac discs from the 1950s.

The two scientists programmed a precision optical metrology system normally used to inspect silicon detectors, to map and photograph the undulating grooves etched on these old recordings.

The result was a digital reproduction with all the scratches, bumps, dust and wiggles ironed out. Those images were then transferred to a computer and turned into a sound file to produce a clean version of the original.

The Library of Congress is interested in digitizing its contents before mold consumes it. In fact, the scientists believe that they can actually get a better fidelity transfer because of the ability to take samples smaller than the stylus that reads the media by almost a factor of ten.

It has given the scientists funding to perfect their technique and technology in the hope it can be used to access a huge archive. The library's files include 128 million items in formats ranging from tape to disc and from wax cylinders to tin foil cylinders.[...]

“So if you have ten times as much information, you have that much more of a chance to recover something. And we could even maybe go 20 or 30 times and increase our chances even more so,” [said Haber]. [...]

It has given the scientists funding to perfect their technique and technology in the hope it can be used to access a huge archive. The library's files include 128 million items in formats ranging from tape to disc and from wax cylinders to tin foil cylinders.

Both men are excited at the possibilities in being able to give voice once again to cylinders that are said to contain recordings of Queen Victoria, poets Alfred Tennyson and Walt Whitman, nurse Florence Nightingale, actress Sarah Bernhardt and Germany's WWI leader Kaiser Wilhelm.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUL 26, 2004 01:29 AM

I said something. never mind.

[Edited on Jul 26, 2004 1:32AM]

wyspurr

wyspurr

Atlanta, GA
March 2004

JUL 26, 2004 01:35 AM

You're reading it completely wrong...what they're talking about is getting audible information from an archaic recordings that are so old that they can't be played in any fashion without descroying them by making images of the grooves, cleaning them up, and using a computer to interpret them.

Editted to note that this is Vanuslux responding, not Wyspurr. My wife logged in while I wasn't looking...curse sharing a computer.

[Edited on Jul 26, 2004 1:37AM]

Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

JUL 26, 2004 01:59 AM

wyspurr said:
You're reading it completely wrong...what they're talking about is getting audible information from an archaic recordings that are so old that they can't be played in any fashion without descroying them by making images of the grooves, cleaning them up, and using a computer to interpret them.

Editted to note that this is Vanuslux responding, not Wyspurr. My wife logged in while I wasn't looking...curse sharing a computer.

[Edited on Jul 26, 2004 1:37AM]


How can you tell how I'm reading it...are you in my head?shh....what am i thinking right now? surreal

[Edited on Jul 26, 2004 2:02AM]

Coliwali

Coliwali

I'm lost
February 2003

JUL 26, 2004 02:51 AM

That's pretty cool.

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

JUL 26, 2004 03:05 AM

i heard the bit about abraham lincoln is unconfirmed -- they don't konw if they have the recording of him in their archives or not...

just like i can't remember if that paris hilton video is on my harddrive.

dag.

Vanuslux

Vanuslux

Atlanta, GA
February 2004

JUL 26, 2004 03:09 AM

christopher said:
How can you tell how I'm reading it...are you in my head?shh....what am i thinking right now? surreal

[Edited on Jul 26, 2004 2:02AM]



I was responding to stockula's comment...the way it was before he chose to edit it.

Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

JUL 26, 2004 03:10 AM

Vanuslux said:

christopher said:
How can you tell how I'm reading it...are you in my head?shh....what am i thinking right now? surreal

[Edited on Jul 26, 2004 2:02AM]



I was responding to stockula's comment...the way it was before he chose to edit it.


THATS WHAT I THOUGHT!!! HOLY SHIT!!! smile

almostfamous

almostfamous

NEWSWIRE

United Kingdom

JUL 26, 2004 04:27 AM

oh for fucks sake. don't they know that the crackle is better. these stupid technology people trying to find another way of turning quality vinyl into cds. or mp3s. or whatever the kids are listening to these days on their mypods.

hack

hack

Canada
February 2003

JUL 26, 2004 07:26 AM

This excites me more than the name of the new Star Wars flick, no shit. I'm thinking of all the ragtime that will be available when they do their magic science hoodoo shit on those old wax cylinders.

LilMiSsMOrBiD

LilMiSsMOrBiD

I'm lost
January 2004

JUL 26, 2004 08:23 AM

I cant read

Typhon

Typhon

Iceland
June 2004

JUL 26, 2004 01:44 PM

almostfamous said:
oh for fucks sake. don't they know that the crackle is better. these stupid technology people trying to find another way of turning quality vinyl into cds. or mp3s. or whatever the kids are listening to these days on their mypods.



Records will go the way of the dinosaurs, but we can at least save your silly jazz musicians before extinction.

And me personally... i really don't want to risk a vinyl/raptor outbreak due to industrial espionage or poor gene splicing techniques.... tongue

Faseplant

Faseplant

Oakland, CA
June 2003

JUL 26, 2004 10:15 PM

It doesn't make sense to say they can get better fidelity because they can get smaller samples than the stylus can read. The wax cylinders were created with a stylus, and I'm sure a much less hi-fi stylus at that, so there's no smaller sample to take. The only thing I can think of is that they meant they can get a better reading now because the cylinders were so scratched and dusty from age. It'd be like saying putting a cd in a dvd player will sound better because the dvd laser can read smaller samples.

Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

JUL 27, 2004 02:10 PM

Faseplant said:
It doesn't make sense to say they can get better fidelity because they can get smaller samples than the stylus can read. The wax cylinders were created with a stylus, and I'm sure a much less hi-fi stylus at that, so there's no smaller sample to take. The only thing I can think of is that they meant they can get a better reading now because the cylinders were so scratched and dusty from age. It'd be like saying putting a cd in a dvd player will sound better because the dvd laser can read smaller samples.


I think a better analogy would be that you can get a better sample rate using an electron microscope to read the pattern groves in a damaged cd. While you do get a more dense sample in a DVD player, I think comparing a DVD laser read head with a microscope that can see atoms is a bit of a stretch.