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DJKRIS2FUR

DJKRIS2FUR

Port Saint Lucie, FL
March 2004

JUL 25, 2004 11:38 PM

when is there going to be a star wars vs star trek movie?

beam me up,YODA! biggrin

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

JUL 25, 2004 11:43 PM

Hammersmith said:
The one thing that Lucas could do to make me interested in the whole prequel series would be if he pulled a plot twist in the next one where we found out that Anakin does not, in fact, become Darth Vader, but that someone else entirely does, thus proving the whole "Luke, I am your father" deal to be an outright lie.



Hey maybe they could make a sequel to Aliens where the little girl dies in transport so that they can OMG I am arguing with a corpse.

deathcurse219

deathcurse219

USA
July 2002

JUL 25, 2004 11:57 PM

attack of the clones was like watching one of those old school computer puzzle games where the companies tried their damndest to put a real actor in an animated world but it just ended up looking like crap and all the puzzles were arbitrary and stupid. if i wanted to see human actors in animated worlds i'd just go watch cool world. or, for a change of pace, who framed roger rabbit.

Valen

valen

Manhattan, KS
January 2004

JUL 26, 2004 07:11 AM

Why does it seem like Lucas held a poll for the new title, and whichever choice received the lowest votes was the one they went with. Is he going for a campy title on purpose?

As for CGI, my biggest problem with this process is that nothing feels real anymore. If it doesn't feel real, it completely takes me out of the movie experience. For example, there is a scene in Clones where Obi is talking to Yoda in the Jedi hall. As they are walking along, it is beat over your head by the scope of the effect that it is just Ewen on a sound stage, nothing more. No set, no other actors, nothing. At that point, it is the actor who looks out of place because he no long matches the surroundings.

Jabba and Yoda may have been puppets the first time around, but at least they were actually in the shot and you had a sense of their "presence." That is lacking with the CGI.

decedent

decedent

Boston, MA
December 2003

JUL 26, 2004 07:25 AM

LilMiSsMOrBiD

LilMiSsMOrBiD

I'm lost
January 2004

JUL 26, 2004 08:27 AM

Gurgle tilt sputter whirl

Aya

Aya

SUICIDEGIRL

Alberta, Canada

JUL 26, 2004 10:44 AM

Cigarette said:
Though, apparently, he did not comment on the lack of symmetry anywhere else in the new additions to the franchise.



Mitoclorians anyone?

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JUL 26, 2004 08:18 PM

Aya said:

Cigarette said:
Though, apparently, he did not comment on the lack of symmetry anywhere else in the new additions to the franchise.



Mitoclorians anyone?



I had just managed to forget about that...

Scopitone

Scopitone

Irvine, CA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 26, 2004 08:23 PM

Jeff_Fries said:

Hammersmith said:
The one thing that Lucas could do to make me interested in the whole prequel series would be if he pulled a plot twist in the next one where we found out that Anakin does not, in fact, become Darth Vader, but that someone else entirely does, thus proving the whole "Luke, I am your father" deal to be an outright lie.



Hey maybe they could make a sequel to Aliens where the little girl dies in transport so that they can OMG I am arguing with a corpse.



Bwaaahhahahahahaaa well done.

cornelius

cornelius

Tempe, AZ
OLD SKOOL

JUL 26, 2004 08:34 PM

Maximilian said:
I recently realized I honestly don't care anymore. I have my original trilogy on VHS and most of the time when i groan about the new ones I realize I will go and see Episode 3 no matter what. So I have decided to salute Lucas from now on for owning all of our souls.



i just read through all four fuckin' pages of this discussion, and this is the only post i completely and wholeheartedley agree with... and while he does not own my soul, he certainly does enjoy frosted flakes from my hollowed out skull.

anomaly4u

anomaly4u

I'm lost
November 2003

JUL 26, 2004 08:57 PM

Who fucking cares! The very first film was wonderful and should have stopped there. The rest is trivial and basically suck! Though I do think it would have been really cool to have had a scene in Jedi where the Stormtroopers catch and barb-b-que all the Ewoks and eat the little fuckers! Hee! Hee! Everytime I say that my daughter says I am evil,but,then evil is live spelled backwords.anomaly4U ARRR!!!

I_Poop_Too_Much

I_Poop_Too_Much

I'm lost
February 2004

JUL 26, 2004 11:39 PM

HammersmithThere's nothing wrong with going forward. There is a problem, however, with going forward when the advanced technology is not perfected yet and is vastly inferior to the old technology.



Yea, the old technology is LIMITLESS.....whatever Sorry, CG can do anything-and ANYTHING is a LOT more than "lots of stuff with major restrictions".

Watching through the originals again.......gee, that great OLD technology that's so flawless, the "effects of the new movies are ruined".....you know, the incomplete Light Saber effects in the first one look like shit regardless. I love seeing the scan boxes around spaceships where they've been optically printed in....and seeing a model just kinda "disappear" to be replaced with a stock explosion because you can't make multiple passes on a ship exploding.....CGless bluescreen shots that prevent you from being able to move the camera.....

As I said above......crappy effects are crappy, no matter how they're done. Watch the originals again-yea, they were revolutionary. But they still look FAKE.

I think people's main gripe with CG (that they can't comprehend or bring themselves to say) is that it allows for any bad decision to be made simply because it CAN be made.....lots of crappy ideas in the past have been shot down due to the inability of effects to create it.....

if Lucas had this technology in the 70's and 80's, he'd have used it at every opportunity too. The original movies are as much effects films as today's are:there's an effects shot of some kind EVERYWHERE THERE CAN BE. Oh, a shot where you can see Cloud City through a window! Didn't NEED to see that, that bluescreen mat was put there JUST BECAUSE. Yoda? Yoda is the same character as JarJar:a strange character who speaks funny that was created to showcase a groundbreaking special effect. Just as JarJar didn't NEED to be an entirely CG character, Yoda didn't NEED to be the most advanced "dramatic" puppet ever made.

And could somebody please explain that bullshit line "raping my childhood"?? What, Lucas wasn't out to make a buck BEFORE the 90's?

The simple truth.....people are just pissed off that the prequels aren't what THEY expected them to be, what THEY THOUGHT would happen.........well, and the fact that they're poorly directed/written. It has nothing to do with the groundbreaking special effects.

MarginWalker2002

MarginWalker2002

San Diego, CA
April 2004

JUL 26, 2004 11:44 PM

All I can say is that I worked the San Diego Comic Con, and pretty much every 10th nerd, err, event attendee, was wearing one of those Goddammed Revenge of the Sith shirts. Drove me nuts. No one wearing those shirts looked like they had ever dated. It seems to me that anymore,the only people who really give that nig of a shit about these new movies are the hardcore Star Dorks.

the rest of us have packed up and moved on. Will we watch the movie when it comes out? Yup. Will we let this crap consume our lives? Hell no. I hope George kicks out this last flick and just let's it all die. Unless he wants to turnit over to someone with better skills than he, someone who can breathe life back into what is becoming a dead series.

Max16Characters

Max16Characters

Korea, Republic Of
March 2003

JUL 27, 2004 01:09 AM

When i was 5, Star Wars was the most amazing thing EVER! Also when i was 5, Santa was "real". Stop looking through rose colored glasses peepz. The OG's were great, but that was a huge product of our young imaginations.

There's a lot of things that were great then as opposed to now because things were different then as opposed to now. I'm not saying the original triology sucked, but they were far from perfect and only nostalgia makes it seem as if they really were to begin with. There's a magical connection between the things we idolized as kids vs. the things we experience as adults tha cannot be matched.

No movie could have ever equaled or surpassed our expectations for the new trilogy based on our experiences as youngsters simply because as youngsters vs. adults we experience things completely differently. The reason we can love imperfect movies as adults that we loved as children is that they bring back memories and feelings of times that no longer exist but may have highlights of our younger years.

We can't love the new ones as much as the old because back then we couldn't appreciate things like acting, cinematography, story, etc.. Now we're much more ciritical and after YEARS of expectations, nothing can live up to that.

Lucas didn't rape out childhood...he's just writing for a new generation of children and unfortunately we're adults now who can't recapture that magic that we knew as lil ones.

One more point to bring up and i'm done: In the original trilogy, there was mystery. Who was Luke really? What was the Rebellion? Force? Now, any Star Wars fan knows that Anakin is Luke's father and that Palpatine turned him to the Dark Side while Obi Wan hid the twins Luke and Leigha from him. We know this is a train wreck and basically a Greek Tragedy. We know that somehow everything will become fucked up and give birth to the world that is A New Hope. The intriguing part that is left to the adult is how...and i intend to find out next summer.

[Edited on Jul 27, 2004 by Max16Characters]

nightx

nightx

Fenton, MO
August 2003

JUL 27, 2004 01:54 AM

Max16Characters said:
When i was 5, Star Wars was the most amazing thing EVER! Also when i was 5, Santa was "real". Stop looking through rose colored glasses peepz. The OG's were great, but that was a huge product of our young imaginations.

There's a lot of things that were great then as opposed to now because things were different then as opposed to now. I'm not saying the original triology sucked, but they were far from perfect and only nostalgia makes it seem as if they really were to begin with. There's a magical connection between the things we idolized as kids vs. the things we experience as adults tha cannot be matched.

No movie could have ever equaled or surpassed our expectations for the new trilogy based on our experiences as youngsters simply because as youngsters vs. adults we experience things completely differently. The reason we can love imperfect movies as adults that we loved as children is that they bring back memories and feelings of times that no longer exist but may have highlights of our younger years.

We can't love the new ones as much as the old because back then we couldn't appreciate things like acting, cinematography, story, etc.. Now we're much more ciritical and after YEARS of expectations, nothing can live up to that.

Lucas didn't rape out childhood...he's just writing for a new generation of children and unfortunately we're adults now who can't recapture that magic that we knew as lil ones.

One more point to bring up and i'm done: In the original trilogy, there was mystery. Who was Luke really? What was the Rebellion? Force? Now, any Star Wars fan knows that Anakin is Luke's father and that Palpatine turned him to the Dark Side while Obi Wan hid the twins Luke and Leigha from him. We know this is a train wreck and basically a Greek Tragedy. We know that somehow everything will become fucked up and give birth to the world that is A New Hope. The intriguing part that is left to the adult is how...and i intend to find out next summer.

[Edited on Jul 27, 2004 by Max16Characters]



in 100% agreement.

BinkyMcQueen

BinkyMcQueen

Philadelphia, PA
December 2002

JUL 27, 2004 06:28 AM

nightx said:

Max16Characters said:
When i was 5, Star Wars was the most amazing thing EVER! Also when i was 5, Santa was "real". Stop looking through rose colored glasses peepz. The OG's were great, but that was a huge product of our young imaginations.

There's a lot of things that were great then as opposed to now because things were different then as opposed to now. I'm not saying the original triology sucked, but they were far from perfect and only nostalgia makes it seem as if they really were to begin with. There's a magical connection between the things we idolized as kids vs. the things we experience as adults tha cannot be matched.

No movie could have ever equaled or surpassed our expectations for the new trilogy based on our experiences as youngsters simply because as youngsters vs. adults we experience things completely differently. The reason we can love imperfect movies as adults that we loved as children is that they bring back memories and feelings of times that no longer exist but may have highlights of our younger years.

We can't love the new ones as much as the old because back then we couldn't appreciate things like acting, cinematography, story, etc.. Now we're much more ciritical and after YEARS of expectations, nothing can live up to that.

Lucas didn't rape out childhood...he's just writing for a new generation of children and unfortunately we're adults now who can't recapture that magic that we knew as lil ones.

One more point to bring up and i'm done: In the original trilogy, there was mystery. Who was Luke really? What was the Rebellion? Force? Now, any Star Wars fan knows that Anakin is Luke's father and that Palpatine turned him to the Dark Side while Obi Wan hid the twins Luke and Leigha from him. We know this is a train wreck and basically a Greek Tragedy. We know that somehow everything will become fucked up and give birth to the world that is A New Hope. The intriguing part that is left to the adult is how...and i intend to find out next summer.

[Edited on Jul 27, 2004 by Max16Characters]



in 100% agreement.



well stated...BRAVO I will still wait in line for 6 hours.....because my mom did it for me...and damn it...I will do it for my daughter

quasievil01

quasievil01

Edmonton, AB
April 2004

JUL 27, 2004 06:58 AM

coldenginelogic said:

nightx said:

Max16Characters said:
When i was 5, Star Wars was the most amazing thing EVER! Also when i was 5, Santa was "real". Stop looking through rose colored glasses peepz. The OG's were great, but that was a huge product of our young imaginations.

There's a lot of things that were great then as opposed to now because things were different then as opposed to now. I'm not saying the original triology sucked, but they were far from perfect and only nostalgia makes it seem as if they really were to begin with. There's a magical connection between the things we idolized as kids vs. the things we experience as adults tha cannot be matched.

No movie could have ever equaled or surpassed our expectations for the new trilogy based on our experiences as youngsters simply because as youngsters vs. adults we experience things completely differently. The reason we can love imperfect movies as adults that we loved as children is that they bring back memories and feelings of times that no longer exist but may have highlights of our younger years.

We can't love the new ones as much as the old because back then we couldn't appreciate things like acting, cinematography, story, etc.. Now we're much more ciritical and after YEARS of expectations, nothing can live up to that.

Lucas didn't rape out childhood...he's just writing for a new generation of children and unfortunately we're adults now who can't recapture that magic that we knew as lil ones.

One more point to bring up and i'm done: In the original trilogy, there was mystery. Who was Luke really? What was the Rebellion? Force? Now, any Star Wars fan knows that Anakin is Luke's father and that Palpatine turned him to the Dark Side while Obi Wan hid the twins Luke and Leigha from him. We know this is a train wreck and basically a Greek Tragedy. We know that somehow everything will become fucked up and give birth to the world that is A New Hope. The intriguing part that is left to the adult is how...and i intend to find out next summer.

[Edited on Jul 27, 2004 by Max16Characters]



in 100% agreement.



well stated...BRAVO I will still wait in line for 6 hours.....because my mom did it for me...and damn it...I will do it for my daughter



Max16Characters is cool! Max16Characters is wize! !

WelnTaod

WelnTaod

Portland, OR
September 2003

JUL 27, 2004 02:49 PM

I await the Onion article about this any second now... biggrin

[Edited on Jul 27, 2004 2:49PM]

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