MrMuller said:
I was summoned for county court, got sent into a panel for a marijuana growing case. I didn't get pulled up to the box, and was sent back to the pool. Then they told us that the only other case that day was a murder case and they're still working on selection, and they might need some more from the pool. After about 15 minutes they said it was filled out and sent us all home. I was home before lunch.
It says on the notice that I could be done the same day, but I don't even want to show up for one day. If I don't get out of it and I'm selected for a week-long trial, there's no way in hell I'll do it at that point because then it really will be a financial burden.
Until reading this thread, I assumed that employers were forced by law to be compensate their employees for time lost while serving. I just checked my state law and apparently that is not the case here; even so, I've never had a job that didn't do so, and neither has my mother (she also gets summoned every year).
That sucks, dude. If I lost wages for jury duty, my eagerness to do it would definitely deflate.
MrMuller said:
I was summoned for county court, got sent into a panel for a marijuana growing case. I didn't get pulled up to the box, and was sent back to the pool. Then they told us that the only other case that day was a murder case and they're still working on selection, and they might need some more from the pool. After about 15 minutes they said it was filled out and sent us all home. I was home before lunch.
It says on the notice that I could be done the same day, but I don't even want to show up for one day. If I don't get out of it and I'm selected for a week-long trial, there's no way in hell I'll do it at that point because then it really will be a financial burden.
Until reading this thread, I assumed that employers were forced by law to be compensate their employees for time lost while serving. I just checked my state law and apparently that is not the case here; even so, I've never had a job that didn't do so, and neither has my mother (she also gets summoned every year).
That sucks, dude. If I lost wages for jury duty, my eagerness to do it would definitely deflate.
The law prohibits employers from punishing or terminating employees because of jury duty, but it doesn't require them to pay you the day(s) you're there. I don't think mine does...I will have to check tomorrow.
My problem is that one day isn't much of an issue. Multiple days, yes, and if I'm selected I will definitely point that out and I'll be released.
I'm border-line, though. I'm irritated because they expect people to skip work and somehow they think offering you ten or twenty bucks will make it all better. On the other hand, since a day really isn't a big deal, I feel like I should at least go for one day to see what the story is instead of formulating an excuse to weasel my way out of it.
i was on jury duty once. Incredibly dull civil trial. A girl was sitting in a pizza parlor and one of those heavy red pepper shakers fell off a railing from the second floor (two story restaurant), hit her on the head, and knocked her unconscious.
She claimed she was suffering all kinds of physical problems as a result.
Kes said:
i was on jury duty once. Incredibly dull civil trial. A girl was sitting in a pizza parlor and one of those heavy red pepper shakers fell off a railing from the second floor (two story restaurant), hit her on the head, and knocked her unconscious.
She claimed she was suffering all kinds of physical problems as a result.
They'd kick me out for bias on that one. "Your honor, unless the victim shows medical evidence that she's been traumatized, and she can justify a lawsuit based on an accident, she can fuck right off. Your honor, sir."
Kes said:
i was on jury duty once. Incredibly dull civil trial. A girl was sitting in a pizza parlor and one of those heavy red pepper shakers fell off a railing from the second floor (two story restaurant), hit her on the head, and knocked her unconscious.
She claimed she was suffering all kinds of physical problems as a result.
They'd kick me out for bias on that one. "Your honor, unless the victim shows medical evidence that she's been traumatized, and she can justify a lawsuit based on an accident, she can fuck right off. Your honor, sir."
Ah yes, but in order for a jury to be impaneled, those questions would have been already answered in the affirmative.
Kes said:
i was on jury duty once. Incredibly dull civil trial. A girl was sitting in a pizza parlor and one of those heavy red pepper shakers fell off a railing from the second floor (two story restaurant), hit her on the head, and knocked her unconscious.
She claimed she was suffering all kinds of physical problems as a result.
They'd kick me out for bias on that one. "Your honor, unless the victim shows medical evidence that she's been traumatized, and she can justify a lawsuit based on an accident, she can fuck right off. Your honor, sir."
Ah yes, but in order for a jury to be impaneled, those questions would have been already answered in the affirmative.
Damn you and your knowledge. Can you honestly sue a restaurant because someone there (be it employee or patron) accidentally knocked a pepper shaker over a balcony?
Can I get out of jury duty by telling the judge to "suck a dick sideways" - or would that just land me in contempt?
I'm serving on a jury RIGHT NOW. It's a big, big trial here, apparently it's all over the news, and I'm going to be in court for three or four weeks. Seems like the lawyers waste a shit-ton of time on totally irrelevant questions, minutiae that doesn't go anywhere. I almost want to scream at them, GET TO THE FUCKING POINT! But how can I complain, I'm getting paid by the court and by my job, so it's not a bad situation. I only hope I can make the right decision in the end, because so far a lot of this has been shades of gray with no solid evidence on either side. I'll be really depressed if I don't feel like I came up with the right verdict...
MrMuller said:
I was summoned for county court, got sent into a panel for a marijuana growing case. I didn't get pulled up to the box, and was sent back to the pool. Then they told us that the only other case that day was a murder case and they're still working on selection, and they might need some more from the pool. After about 15 minutes they said it was filled out and sent us all home. I was home before lunch.
It says on the notice that I could be done the same day, but I don't even want to show up for one day. If I don't get out of it and I'm selected for a week-long trial, there's no way in hell I'll do it at that point because then it really will be a financial burden.
Well the trouble is it will always be a financial burden. They don't care about that in the least, it's still your duty as a citizen. If financial burden was an excuse then only rich people would have to serve and we know how well that would work.
The worst is when you're a student like me and they want you to come while you're in college. That's classes that you've already paid for and can't get that money back. Now that should be an excuse. But they didn't care for that either.
But in any event, just become the biggest racist in the world. Hate everyone.
MrMuller said:
Well the trouble is it will always be a financial burden. They don't care about that in the least, it's still your duty as a citizen. If financial burden was an excuse then only rich people would have to serve and we know how well that would work.
The worst is when you're a student like me and they want you to come while you're in college. That's classes that you've already paid for and can't get that money back. Now that should be an excuse. But they didn't care for that either.
But in any event, just become the biggest racist in the world. Hate everyone.
That's not true, lots of judges do care if it'll be a financial burden. For longer trials, you can be excused for that reason.
And everyone always says just be racist... That really doesn't work when the defendant is the same race as you.
StarBelliedBoy said:
I'm serving on a jury RIGHT NOW. It's a big, big trial here, apparently it's all over the news, and I'm going to be in court for three or four weeks. Seems like the lawyers waste a shit-ton of time on totally irrelevant questions, minutiae that doesn't go anywhere. I almost want to scream at them, GET TO THE FUCKING POINT! But how can I complain, I'm getting paid by the court and by my job, so it's not a bad situation. I only hope I can make the right decision in the end, because so far a lot of this has been shades of gray with no solid evidence on either side. I'll be really depressed if I don't feel like I came up with the right verdict...
Homer: So what were we talking about? Bart:Uh... You were telling me about the time you beat jury duty. Homer: *chuckles* Oh yeah... The trick is to tell them that you're prejudiced against all races.
Kes said:
i was on jury duty once. Incredibly dull civil trial. A girl was sitting in a pizza parlor and one of those heavy red pepper shakers fell off a railing from the second floor (two story restaurant), hit her on the head, and knocked her unconscious.
She claimed she was suffering all kinds of physical problems as a result.
They'd kick me out for bias on that one. "Your honor, unless the victim shows medical evidence that she's been traumatized, and she can justify a lawsuit based on an accident, she can fuck right off. Your honor, sir."
Ah yes, but in order for a jury to be impaneled, those questions would have been already answered in the affirmative.
Damn you and your knowledge. Can you honestly sue a restaurant because someone there (be it employee or patron) accidentally knocked a pepper shaker over a balcony?
It would depend on the circumstances, but yeah. Negligence is a pretty elastic concept.
Can I get out of jury duty by telling the judge to "suck a dick sideways" - or would that just land me in contempt?
Damn it. My company pays you while you're on jury duty. Most people would say "sweet! paid to sit around and watch Court TV!" Naw, see, when I have to sit in one place for eight hours straight, I go insane. What's worse is that no matter how much I've slept, I'll start to get tired and it's difficult for me to stay awake. That would be peaches - to fall asleep in the jury booth.
"Juror number 12, please remain awake for the remainder of the trail. That is, if you don't mind!"
punk said:
Damn it. My company pays you while you're on jury duty. Most people would say "sweet! paid to sit around and watch Court TV!" Naw, see, when I have to sit in one place for eight hours straight, I go insane. What's worse is that no matter how much I've slept, I'll start to get tired and it's difficult for me to stay awake. That would be peaches - to fall asleep in the jury booth.
"Juror number 12, please remain awake for the remainder of the trail. That is, if you don't mind!"
It depends on what kind of trial. Some are bound to be more interesting than others, I suppose. Mine was deadly dull. I think I nodded off a few times (or came very close). Listening to lawyers explain the same thing over and over and over. Yawn
The judge was very cool about excusing potential jurors from the trial for financial reasons (once the selection process had been whittled down to about twenty people)
punk said:
Damn it. My company pays you while you're on jury duty. Most people would say "sweet! paid to sit around and watch Court TV!" Naw, see, when I have to sit in one place for eight hours straight, I go insane. What's worse is that no matter how much I've slept, I'll start to get tired and it's difficult for me to stay awake. That would be peaches - to fall asleep in the jury booth.
"Juror number 12, please remain awake for the remainder of the trail. That is, if you don't mind!"
It depends on what kind of trial. Some are bound to be more interesting than others, I suppose. Mine was deadly dull. I think I nodded off a few times (or came very close). Listening to lawyers explain the same thing over and over and over. Yawn
The judge was very cool about excusing potential jurors from the trial for financial reasons (once the selection process had been whittled down to about twenty people)
I hope that either a) I'm just not selected or b) we try some crack head for stealing babies to fund his habit, put him away in a couple of hours, and are out in time to grab some lunch.
I got called for jury duty once, October 2001. Took my day off of work, went to the court house, and had to fill out a 75-page questionnaire. What magazines did I read, the last 5 movies I saw, who were my top 5 heroes, have I ever been married, do I believe in psychics, etc. It was a cross between every MySpace poll you'll ever get and a census form. Finished up, and was told I'd have to report back in December.
Went back in December on a Monday, for what turned out to be a massive jury-selection process. 600 or so people (some of whom had been rounded up by sheriffs when they hadn't shown up). I was number 150 or so, and they went in numerical order, spending on average about 15 minutes a person. I was required to show up every day for 8 hours of this, even though it was obvious they weren't going to get to me until near the end of the week. So, I got lots of crossword puzzles done.
When I finally got on the hot seat that Friday, I expected to be booted quickly-- long hair, combat boots, my questionnaire showed that I'd never gone to high school, etc. Instead, I was the last person selected-- nos. 151-600 were sent home after they finished with me-- and we were sworn in as a jury. We were given until January 1 to get our affairs in order, before driving 100 miles south to be sequestered to hear a multiple murder case. We ended up being there nearly 3 months... and that was tailed by CBS News, eventually being featured in several episodes of 48 Hours, and that ended up being documented in a true-crime paperback.
It was interesting to do; I liked finally seeing the intricacies of the justice system. It was horrifying to do; I saw evidence that still gives me nightmares. After an apparently record-setting deliberation period, we found the defendant guilty, and were immediately put under a gag order-- the inevitable appeals that were to go on hinged on evidentiary problems that were said to have tainted our decision. We were also escorted by police afterwards for our safety, as the defendant's family (locally powerful) apparently posed a threat. We weren't able to speak about the case beyond inspecific soundbites for several years; the state supreme court threw out our decision, the guy was freed, rearrested, retried, and found guilty again after a few more years' wait. Not being able to talk about the trial for a few years ended up giving most of the jurors problems-- I know a few of us ended up in therapy, and a few marriages dissolved. When a friend and I recently traveled through the area on the way to Louisville KY, I had a nice little breakdown.
My job paid me my full salary when I was gone, and I got to keep the spproximately $2500 jury duty pay as well... which got me out of debt and paid for my first semester in college. After the trial, the victims' family and the prosecuting attorneys had taken me aside to make sure I planned to go to school... so I did. I've done well thus far, but sometimes it still hits me hard that the only reason I'm finally "succeeding" in life is because a woman and her two children were shot to death a hundred miles south...
Anyway. I'd do it again. I vote, I pay my taxes, but that was the first time that I felt like I was doing my actual duty as a citizen. It was important, and I'm proud that I was able to do my part. And the jury duty pay, though low, was a windfall since it came on top of my salary; and, for those three months, the state paid for my food and drink, and utility usage at my three-months-vacant apartment were non existent... so I saved another pile of money there. Win-win.
I'll run to Mexico if I get stuck with a trial like that. It's closer than Canada.
bald_eagle said:
Okay, so serving on a jury is a pain in the backside. So is paying your taxes.
But our system of justice is based on disinterested citizens having the final say-so in most cases. It has flaws, but it's better than having everything in the hands of government employees.
Being a juror is doing your part to keep some shred of fairness in an essential process.
That's pretty much what I think, too. But the other part of me says "I don't waaaaaaaaant to go!"
I have had a recurring theme of "why I love my girlfriend" posts in this journal during my years of membership. They're usually about funny things she does or the hard times she gives me.
This is a serious one.
She spent the last two weeks as juror on a rape trial. Of the cases she might have been on, she got the tough one, a tricky he-said-she-said case of alleged rape and sexual assault.
I kind of figured that she become jury foreman. (Foreperson?) Anyway, she didn't, but it was she who made them all put their names in a hat to draw for a foreman. And she was the one who stopped them in the first few days, as the victim testified, from speculating about what her motives were or why she was flaky and hesitant on the stand, and getting them to focus on the facts and the law.
Variations on the following exchange happened a number of times:
Juror X: "She might have led him on..."
TFOG: "That's irrelevant. What matters is whether she was consenting, whether he knew there was consent, and if she refused consent, did he knowingly have sex with her anyway."
She kept them focussed, she challenged the other jurors, both women and men, when they speculated on the victim's sex life and moral values, and she, with her razor sharp memory, was able to recall important facts from the evidence presented and keep the group focused on those.
I won't go into laborious detail, but more and more things, surprising and amazing things, kept being revealed during the trial. The jurors had bonded by now (so that when one guy, we'll just say from a different cultural background, was saying "So sometimes, I throw things at my wife. That's not assault, is it?" to which everyone responded "Yes! It is!"), and were feeling rather shocked and bewildered by surprising new revelations. (Such as: There was a written confession by the accused! Which was presented to the police by his father! And yet the defence were still pleading not guilty!) And there were the hours they were kept out of the courtroom while lawyers argued.
And then the accused got torn apart on the stand, by the prosecution.
Cutting to the chase - they found him guilty on 5 out of 6 charges. There was one minor charge they debated for a while, until TFOG (who was going for not guilty on that one) said "OK, who of us here that are voting for not guilty, think he did this one as well?" Everyone raised their hand. She said "We all think he did it, we just don't have the evidence to convict on the basis of reasonable doubt." Everyone else agreed, and they stuck to not guilty. (Well, there was the one woman who through all the deliberations kept saying how she didn't trust the testimony of the victim. Even when they all kept saying other evidence was sufficient to reach a guilty verdict, the woman kept saying "But I just don't trust her..." But they finally got past that.)
After the verdicts were read out they jurors were taken back to the jury room to get their things and leave. On the way, the court office who took them back and forth each day, told them what they had not been able to be told when they were out of the courtroom. He told them of things the guy had done before, including other sexual assaults, and an assault on his father that explained a mystery to the jurors -- why had his father given the police his written confession? And all of this explained why the victim's testimony had been so nervously delivered.
Cairo
SUICIDEGIRL
Maryland, USA
MAY 23, 2007 07:17 PM