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Herpes

Herpes

I'm lost
August 2003

APR 23, 2004 08:23 PM

who are the bad guys? Parents who buy their kids these clothes. End of story.

Yeah, its gross to see a 13 year old girl wearing skin tight pants and a belly showing shirt. It's an uneasy feeling to be around those types of girls for sure. I am somewhat prejudice against these kinds of girls because I imagine they are spoiled and have wimpy parents who buy them this crap. I could care less about her wearing a thong because I will never see it. However, if there are thongs out there for young girls, parents should not be buying them for their kids. Kids don't have jobs, and dont have money to buy that shit. If a kid has that kind of crap, chances are they have a bad parent. W/O the parents, there is no relationship between the kids and the stores/there is no problem if the parents put their foot down.

Nosferatv

Nosferatv

Portland, OR
February 2004

APR 23, 2004 11:04 PM

"Sex Sells" and 12 year old girls are great consumers.
this trend makes my skin crawl. ive seen several of my (male) friends, vocally checking out the asses of prepubescent girls without knowing that they are so young. and these aren't pedephiles, these are normal guys. do we really want our 10-14 year old girls attracting 20-30 something guys? HELL NO!

Kamper

Kamper

Merrimack, NH
December 2003

APR 24, 2004 01:04 PM

I remember being 3 years old and having an erection. I didnt know what it was for but I had one. Sometimes there were sensations that I recognize now as being orgasms. That doesnt mean I was ready to gou out club-crawling and chasing skirts.

Kids trust the adults in thier lives in a manner aproximating their parents and close relatives. They may find it hard to determine when they are being used or abused as opposed to something that is mutually beneficial. The age a person can make these distinctions for themselves probably varies widely amongst individuals.

How can an adult tell if a young person is "fair game?" It doesnt matter if you can or cant - just follow the laws in your state and if you have any doubts about someone leave them alone. For people over the age of 21 I'd also suggest avoiding relationships with anyone under the age of 18.

Minors are like flowers in the park, ok to enjoy the view but not ok to take them home.

Shouga

Shouga

USA
April 2004

APR 24, 2004 03:34 PM

what a loaded topic wink
but who here other than myself ran around singing "like a virgin" and "she bop" when they were little? this is NOTHING new, at all, and I think I am pretty safe saying that I was not corrupted by Madonna and Cyndi Lauper , the original Britney and Christina. Do you remember leggings? stirup pants? those were tight too and showed off even more than tight jeans. I remember hot pants being pretty popular too, which are a lot more visible than thongs. and showing your belly, um TUBE TOPS anyone ??? LOL :p and those little plastic hoops that tied up one corner of your t-shirt so it was tight across your butt and chest? hahaha

when you are 10-13 your are trying to prove to everyone you are "not a child" even though you are, you are fighting for any independance you can have and trying to asert your opinions and views and buck at any type of restrictions. I think it is someone healthy for children to assert themselves, but they need to also be able to move on to other outfits, other music, other books and so on. i think it is only a real problem when they never venture away from the boy bands and the over sexualized female singers because THEN their views can be slanted or biased.

if you talk to your children then you won't be having as many issues, and since lolita was brought up, think about how big a role her parents played in the narrative.... can you think of any interactions other than praise for tennis or other social events or punishments? i mean eek do you recall "lolita's" mom's attiitude?

the thought of little girls wearing thongs just sounds tacky to me, but that is just my opinion and i could be extremely biased simply because i don't like thongs (on my self anyway kiss )

but i think the major issue here is that cloths are not going to MAKE you a protitute, or tot, if you already have the desires and urges and whatnot then the cloths are just a way to express how you already feel. sometimes cloths can "boost" your confidence but they don't create the symptom, and neither do the singers.and what is fashionable to some maynot be to others. but sexuality is already in-grained it is genetic, it really hasn't been THAT long since girls DID bear children at 14 and where otherwise sexual at such a "young age"..
and as others have said, if you don't have an aurthority figure around to tell you about sex and self expression and make you aware that Briney and Christina are literally selling their bodies to get people to listen to them,then you have a problem.

my point was ( i rambled too much) that we all go thru some phase of emulation and that as long as we move on from it to find OURSELVES we , they , are fine. Just be there to guide them, give them an opposing opinion about fashion, show them others ways to feel pretty or attractive. (won't it be wonderful if you could feel pretty from something other than cloths? haha )
most of these things are just buzz words anyway and children don't really understand what these words and actions imply. the real people in their lives should be the role models, not a poster of britney spears or x-tina agulalalala .

and just as background info, my hippie mother taught me about sex at 3.

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

APR 24, 2004 03:52 PM

Morgan said:
It's true that kids are sexual beings, but we're not preparing them for understanding sexuality before we send them out dressed like that. We're allowing them to ACT "grown up" without really understanding all the grownup things that come along with that. My problem is with parents who buy those clothes for their kids, but then refuse to teach them about sex, and be HONEST about. The ones who expect our system of sex education in schools to take care of it for them. That puts kids in a dangerous situation where they have grown up feelings but only know immature and unhealthy ways to use them.

When I was 10, my parents just sat me down and gave me an honest talk about sex, and gave me a great book that had lots of details and answered almost all of my questions. They also talked to me about responsibilty and healthy sexuality, and how ensure that I didn't get taken advantage of. And yeah, sometimes I wore little shorts or a teeny shirt...but it was fine for me because I knew how to deal with my sexual feelings in a healthy way.



I agree with everything Morgan said.

We didn't really have to worry about this in our middle school and high school because we weren't allowed to wear shirts/pants that bared our midriff.

The problem is that we're talking about 1989-1994. Low-rise jeans and thongs weren't in fashion at that point. We were all busy piling layers ON since grunge was big. wink

I've talked to mothers who can't find clothes that are stylish AND keep their twelve-year old modest. They've talked to several store owners to ask if they carry any "regular" clothes for preteens and young teens. It's kind of sad.

anger_frog

anger_frog

I'm lost
January 2004

APR 24, 2004 06:07 PM

Shera said:

CCR said:
Usually I'm pretty morally loose about topics of a sexual nature, but kids are where I have to draw the fucking line.

While it's perfectly natural for kids to have all kinds of sexual urges (we had them all the time, you're a goddamn liar if you say you didn't), I don't that means that young girls need to dress sexually. As someone else said, all they're trying to do is look sexual without understanding any of the implications therein.

It's sad that so many kids want to be all grown up, and every generation we have kids who wear makeup at a younger age than the last. I wish we could teach our kids to ENJOY their fucking childhood-- enjoy not having any responsibility or any of the grownup worries that tend to make the rest of us all so fucking jaded.




the only thing I have to say about this subject is that kids these days are growing up too quick...I had sexual urges at a VERY early age....but I never dressed like a grown up...I looked like a normal kid...and I don't know where these little girls dressing like this are coming from..I have an 11 year old sister and she acts and dresses like an 11 year old...I blame the parents....everytime....
oh and yes pre-pub children do have sexual urges and can act them out...but it is not the same as when you are older...when I was a child I masturbated all the time...but honestly....I didn't even know what sex was...AT ALL.. I just knew it felt good...so bottom line......child urges are innocent and non "sexual" in my opinion...



To get back on the pedophilia issue: isn't sending out a 9 y/o girl into public dressed like this make them a more attractive target for predators? Kind of like putting a sign around your neck that says: "Keep your candy, I was going to get in the van anyway"? I agree with Shera; just because kids are getting the urges doesn't necessarily make them sexual beings. Pedophiles rationlize their own urges as "educating" or "helping" their victims; arming a little kid with this sort mindset makes them even more vulnerable to a child molestor's tactics.

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

APR 24, 2004 09:47 PM

I thoroughly understand where you're coming from on this but it really borders on the whole "rape victim was asking for it by what she was wearing" thing. Regardless of whether a woman is wearing a miniskirt or not that does not give anyone the tight to rape them. Just because a young girl is wearing risqué cloting does not immediately make her fair game for any pædophile who wants to cop a feel.

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

APR 24, 2004 10:13 PM

I like "slutergardner"

Shouga

Shouga

USA
April 2004

APR 24, 2004 10:53 PM


I thoroughly understand where you're coming from on this but it really borders on the whole "rape victim was asking for it by what she was wearing" thing. Regardless of whether a woman is wearing a miniskirt or not that does not give anyone the tight to rape them. Just because a young girl is wearing risqué cloting does not immediately make her fair game for any pædophile who wants to cop a feel.



i agree 100 %

[Edited on Apr 24, 2004 by Shouga]

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