Matrix Revolutions was a big letdown.

So I rented Matrix 3 the other day and found that the first half was pretty good. Then after the battle for Zion, it blew. I won't put any spoilers in this but it was just a load of pretentious, quasi-religious clap-trap.

really?
i don't think you're spoiling that for anyone...it was pretty obvious from the second movie that the third would REALLY suck.

I gave up on the Matrix series once I saw the "hobo cave-rave" scene. Fuck those underground hippies and their struggle for freedom.

Yeah, that "rave" was, at best, gratuitous.

i was very disappointed by the second and third...too bad.

ehhh, I do have to say I thought the 3rd was MUCH better than the second.

The ending on the third just fucked it up for the entire movie. It could've been a lot better than what it was.

ehhh, I do have to say I thought the 3rd was MUCH better than the second.

The ending on the third just fucked it up for the entire movie. It could've been a lot better than what it was.

ehhh, I do have to say I thought the 3rd was MUCH better than the second.

The ending on the third just fucked it up for the entire movie. It could've been a lot better than what it was.

I tell ya though, there isn't much that can beat seeing the defense of Zion scene on an IMAX.

Yeah I think that the Watchowski Bros struck gold with the first Matrix. It was new and original. Then I think they just thought they could throw any pile of dog shit at us and we would eat it up. I do have to admit I did see all the movies on opening day but I saw the first one a couple times in the theatres, and the rest only once.

Based on all reviews, I've forced myself to believe that the series has ended with the original, and the 2nd aand 3rd films are just money-making spin-offs like Animatrix

[Edited on Apr 10, 2004 by Velvetone_Fusion]

Its just that...the whole dumbing down thing was rilly irritating.

The first movie - yeah, it was ok. Kinda fun, kinda shiny, lots of guns and explosions and PVC but, yanno, it wasn't all that great. It was just different to a whole lot of Hollywood conveyor-belt shit out there. It was what a movie *should* be - and yanno, I guess thats why it got so much awe-dripping attention. But at the same time, people were still leaving the cinema asking themselves what the Matrix really was.

Well, its a computer generated dream world. Yanno?

The second movie was even worse. It was a lets-see-how-many-cultural-references-we-can-fit-in-to-show-how-clever-we-are fest. I mean, Persephoni? Really? Did you think I wouldn't get it? And I'm not all that clever.

Going to see that movie felt like my purse was being anally raped by the movie industry, and I didn't bother going to see the last one. The disappointment and cynical smugness of myself would have been to much to bear.

But, uh, I'm glad some people enjoyed it.

*nods*

if you've watched "Ghost in the Shell" and read the Neuromancer trilogy, you've basically seen and read where these "geniuses" came up with their plagerized hype.

Not to mention The Invisibles. Now there's a movie I'm waiting to see.

Oh c'mon - where did you expect the movie to go?

I think that the reason people didn't like the 2nd and 3rd movies was that they got complex. the first movie was the classic "hero discovering their powers". Everyone likes that - a nice simple story line.

I agree the 2nd movie was a bit turgid, but hell, I like a religion that has a lot of half naked people dancing as its primary driving point. And if are upset about it being pseudo religious, for Christ's sake, the hole first movie is about "the Prophecy"

And besides the second movie had the Merovingian - a classic villain if ever there was one.

The third movie closed the loop the only way it could. There would be NO way way we could win a war against a truly sentient being able to operate at machine speeds in the real world, so hell, there had to be another explanation.

So thpbbbfffttt - they were good movies who followed a premise to its conclusion. Messy and all.

Now that I read this thread I want to see the third one. Not that I didn't before, but my curiosity has grown now.

Edited because I tend not to use capital i's when I refer to myself and didn't want to get flogged.

[Edited on Apr 10, 2004 by ModernPopCulture]

We ddin't bother to see the third one in the theater, because we weren't expecting it to be very good. We just bought it on DVD yesterday. We will watch it tonight. I am not really expecting anything great. They honestly should have stopped after the first one. It's like a rich guy just trying to get richer.

In all honesty Revolutions is my favorite of the three. I find that I can't re watch the original anymore because it moves far, far too slow for my tastes. The second one was a hour-long bridge that was needlessly streached into two hours. Im my mine the third chapter was beautiful. Sure it had its bad parts but on a whole it is the most entertaining of the three.

Can I get an amen?!?!?

Yeah,I read those and when to see the first with my "Otaku-Cyberpunk" boys!
Funny as hell watching them seeing their favorites books and movies come to life. Omar,my baby godfather even gave me the first two volumes of the Invisibles comics to prove his point. I though for sure someone was gonna get sued behind that movie!

I really liked the first Matrix...it was cyberpunky fun brought to the big screen, which I appreciated, but I didn't think it was quite worthy of the awe it seemed to inspire in people everywhere. Perhaps because I saw too much of Dark City in it so I wasn't as impressed with its supposed originality as a lot of people were.

I started out liking Reloaded, but it felt like it blew its load at the beginning and just kind of meandered on as "Look how cool and clever we are." wankfest of style instead of substance. It was still fun for the fight scenes...though there were spots in those that I just had to roll my eyes and groan as my suspension of disbelief was snapped like a twig.

I haven't seen Revolutions yet but I've been given an earful of spoilers and know pretty much how the story goes and I'm not inspired to rush out and see it. I will eventually just because I don't like leaving things unfinished but I won't have any expectations except some cool FX.

or is the first matrix watching yoouuuuuuuu

I've determined that the third matrix is a disgrace to humanity.

No. It is not that it got "complex," simply that it was a case of the writers trying to show everyone that they attempted to get through the Oxford Companion to Philosophy and had a surface knowledge of it. I am all for complexity in movies. For that, I give you "Memento," which I truly enjoyed. But it was not an exercise in naval-gazing unlike another film.
As for the "rave" as "revival", bah, that was simply the filmmakers way to cross-market the sndtrk to the clubkids w/out offending the rockkids w/too much of that "damn techno."
As for the French guy, Boba Fett is a better villian. This guy was Snidley Whiplash with out the black hat and moustache. Both are cartoon characters and they both like the sound of their own voices.
As for the inability of humans to beat the machines, even as senient as they are, I think you are selling us short. The human mind has something that the machines, regardless of self-awareness, don't; adaptability and initiative. Programming is just that, programming. It is a set of rules and code; therefore it is immutable. We maybe a little bit more frail, but we can (forgive me) think outside the box. Besides, if you notice, w/The Architect, you have one of the 7 Deadly Sins made manifest: Pride. And we all know that "Pride Goeth Before The Fall."
Logical conclusion my eye. I wanted to see more explosions. Deep down in its heart, no matter the pretensions to intellectual fecundity (forgive the redundancy) the Matrix films were popcorn movies, no different than "American Pie" only with less boobies (except the 2nd).

So "Double Rasberries" to you.