NEWS: Girls Gone Illegal

CULTURE: Girls Gone Illegal

"Girls Gone Wild" producer, Joe Francis, is in the legal doghouse after a 21 year-old college student accused him of rape.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.

That girl is poison.


[Edited on Mar 31, 2004 by Sorcha]

I'd just like to play devil's advocate here. While three drinks does in fact sound highly suspecious, think about this for just a moment:

You meet a porn director.
You go drinking with him.
You go back to his hotel room of your own free will with your friend...

...what the hell do you think is going to happen?

In addition to his defense, I'm a drinking panzy, I've passed out from that little before. In short, my money is on extortion, as usual. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Girls Gone Wild films very frequently in a certain club in my hometown , and several really sketchy things have happened to girls I know by the people who make these films. Wouldn't surprise me if its true, but I also wouldn't be surprised if this woman is just trying to get attention either.

while i have sympathy for all the girls who've been treated in a sketchy shameful manner by the girls gone wild guys, in all fairness, i have to say, what do you think will happen when you go drinking with the girls gone wild guy/guys/whatever?

if you don't want to get a. fucked or b. put on video showing your titties or whatever, maybe you shouldn't hang out with those guys, eh?

xoxo

I would expect a woman to get propositioned for sex if she hung around those guys. I would also expect that she be given the opportunity to consent, or refuse.

You seem to forget that the story says she recognized him in a bar and went over to talk to him. It wasn't ;ile she made plans to meet him in a dark alley.



[Edited on Mar 31, 2004 by Cash]

i say BLAME THE VICTIM!

rape sucks.

Unfortunately... I've been drugged at a party once in my day... shittiest thing ever... you just never know. I never did anything about it mostly because I was so confused/stillhalf drugged/wanting to shower right away. Anyways the only thing that seems weird in her story to me is that she would go through the rape kit, but then not take time to get the blood test done?? Even if she wasn't sure if she wanted to press charges she could still get the test done, and if I remember correctly, she would have 6 months to decide if she wanted to press charges.

In my opinion the fact that she recognized him and still decided to go up to him... and not only that go back to the hotel with him?? Not saying her being drugged is ok, but seriously thats the worst judgement ever

it's a shame if that woman was taken advantage of by that creep.
where was her friend during all of this? surely if one was drugged the other would have been too, and she would have been taken advantage of as well. that doesn't seem to fit.

About the whole thing with underage girls, part of that happened in Panama City Beach. My friend's older brother was there, (by chance in the hotel room next to the GGW crew) and they were inviting girls up for video shoots. He said they weren't filling out liability waivers, or even asking for proof of ID with a lot of em. They just drove down the beach, and invited all sorts of girls to come up. Kinda screwed up, he said he got a shoutout in the vid, didnt see it, but I did see some pics he took with the crew in their hotel room. Lucky bastard. Not really cool bout the underage girls tho.

As for this topic... I guess Porn Directors need to get theirs too... and it must be harder than originally thought if they need to drug people.

[Edited on Mar 31, 2004 by skaterpunK]

Dunno, the big question is did she get drunk, have sex with the guy and have buyer's remorse, did she intend from the start to extort the guy for cash (possible, she did recognize him after all), did she just pass out from three drinks (still rape in my mind if she's incapable of assenting or refusing),or was she drugged.

As someone earlier said its a shame there's no bloodwork to show whether or not she was drugged. That would pretty much settle the question if she was.

As it is, the situation is shady on both sides. They did approach a porn producer and voluntarily accept an invitiation to his room. They are of legal drinking age. Up until that point its clear nothing illegal or involuntary happened.
The guy has been accused of doing various other shady things, but never of raping anyone. Could be he's slime, could be she's making it up for one reason or another.

To my mind, and I think a jury's mind, her voluntary actions up to the time they were alone in the room and noone else can vouch for what happened have to carry a lot of weight. The fact she had a friend there with her who doesn't allege being drugged or raped is shady as well.

Rape is such an emotional subject that a lot of people tend to fall into this "if she says it that's all I need to know" trap. Bottom line, its a he said she said at this point, and there's no reason based upon the facts presented here to believe she's any more credible than he is. Since the standard for guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt, she has a way to go before i'd convict the guy.

Not to say there isn't evidence, or that he won't be charged, or even convicted based on information we don't have now, but screaming "he did it, he must have raped her" based on the details we have here only demonstrates a complete lack of analytical thought.

Wow, who ever thought that the guy who walks around a beach trying to pressure random girls into showing him their "kitty cat" could possibly be a creep?

Couldn't have said it better myself. As much as I hate that guy (the GGW guy) and think he's a huge scumbag, I believe in innocence until proven guilt. It is very easy to hear a claim like rape thrown at someone and quickly jump on her side without asking any questions and it is also easy to blame the victim saying that she was asking for it.

From what little I've heard, her story sounds suspect. You don't bring in a stray dog from the street and look at it with shock and disdain when it shits on your carpet. Willingly spending time with a person of ill-repute such as that man is putting yourself in a situation where you should be on your guard. Further, she must have known what she was doing going into her room with him.

See: French Waiter vs. Mayor Quimby's Nephew.

Am I saying he didn't rape her? No. Am I saying he did? No. What I am saying is that facts need to be gathered before we grab the torches and pitchforks.

good point. well said.

*sigh* Don't you hate reading a thread only to discover everything you wanted to say has been said? What Morgan and bcnelson said.

No one is saying she "asked for it". At least I wasn't. Saying someone should have exercised better judgement does not directly corrolate to her deserving it or it being her fault. What we are saying is that that should be an evident strike against her case when all things are pooled in.
Rape is a very touchy subject as almost all of us have had, at one point or another, someone very close to us sexually assaulted if not the person themselves. However, we cannot let emotions supercede judgement in these scenarios. The fact is, as much as millions of rapes go unreported or unjustly served in the court system, there is also the plight of unjust accusations of rape as well.

What I'm saying is that judgement does have to enter into this equation. An evident lapse in sense shows that there could be a kink in her case. Not grounds for him to be set off scott free, just grounds enough to warrant a deeper investigation into this case before conclusions are made.

Isn't Girls Gone Wild insanely profitable?

Well, I think this example is beyond bad judgement. It's a complete lapse in common sense akin to characters in bad horror movies. That, in and off itself, sows a seed of doubt to me. Coupled with the fact that this man is worth a lot of money, you've really got to look at this story from every possible angle.
From what little I've heard, it will be a hard sell to convince me he raped her.

Unfortunately, this opens up a can of worms I'd really rather leave closed. Proving rape isn't always an easy thing to do. Thing is though, from what has been presented.. it just sounds like something could be fishy.