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CallieNicole

CallieNicole

HOPEFUL

West Hills, CA

DEC 26, 2012 01:48 AM

Self-Esteem Issues?

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

DEC 26, 2012 04:54 PM

Who knows? I was bullied for a long time as a youth, until I moved to a larger school. Maybe it was group-think, maybe it was transference from an abusive family. I don't know. It scarred me, to the point that I thought any sort of criticism was an attack against me. It wasn't until I took my first creative writing class that I learned the difference. Criticism is meant to improve; bullying is meant to degrade.

cpkz

cpkz

Portland, OR
September 2006

DEC 26, 2012 05:53 PM

As long as human beings are able to notice differences between them and others, bullying will occur.

MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Portland, OR
August 2002

DEC 26, 2012 07:45 PM

We bully because we care.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Just kidding. We bully because it's fun.

For us.


hotcurry

hotcurry

Los Angeles, CA
June 2004

DEC 26, 2012 09:05 PM

There's a difference between bullying and pointing out when someone had posted asinine gibberish.
As for real, true bullying... people seek power and a feeling that they're winning. People often get more social recognition for negative behaviors and thus feel the need to bully. Socially ostracized people often seek the approval of their peers by in turn bullying others and continuing the cycle.

I was bullied. I was chased home by kids carrying a dead rat. I was held down, hit and had the dead rat stuffed in my shirt. I had rocks thrown at me as I walked home from school many many times. I was hit. I was called names, laughed at and humiliated. In the end, it made me stronger. Strong enough to not get my panties in a bunch when someone makes a joke at my expense on the Internet.

Sid

Sid

SUICIDEGIRL

Colorado, USA

DEC 26, 2012 09:26 PM

Why do arrogant-sounding people always assume they're being bullied?

CallieNicole

CallieNicole

HOPEFUL

West Hills, CA

DEC 26, 2012 09:44 PM

Because they're arrogant.

semiretiredpunk

semiretiredpunk

USA
March 2007

DEC 27, 2012 05:02 PM

Because only the arrogant complain about it.
The meek go to a corner and cry as they are too embarrassed to complain.
This is only a hypothesis.

MDW

MDW

Canada
August 2010

DEC 28, 2012 11:36 AM

As much as I hate to admit it I believe bullying is one of our base human natures. In a wolf pack ,one wolf is designated as the omega wolf and the pack bullies and picks on the omega. It's a form of relieving tension in the group. The beta is angry at the alpha so it bullies the omega. Later the omega can actually become the alpha but the role is transferred in the group. The omega isn't necessarily the smallest or weakest either it's just a role that it accepts. A wolf that doesn't stand up for itself.

Temper

Temper

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

DEC 28, 2012 12:00 PM

^^ off topic, but a) it is illogical and usually false to excuse human behavior through anthropomorphizations and b) there is no such action in a wolf pack.

Wolf pack dynamics are not built on picking on the weakest but following the wisest. Hierarchies fluctuate (they are not set in stone in a militaristic way people often think they are), as you mentioned, but there is no (survival) sense in bullying the weak and animals do not get "angry" at each other in a human sense.
Contrary to what people might think, wolves are highly social (much more so than dogs (or most humans, for that matter)) and even care for their sick, weak or injured pack members by, for example, bringing food back to them over many miles instead of letting them die.

OutlawPete

OutlawPete

Germany
September 2005

DEC 28, 2012 12:16 PM

I know a lot of bullies. Because, I am a teacher. But, wääääh, my english is not good (as you see....). So I can't explain, what I see all day. Maybe Temper can help and translate for me?

Temper

Temper

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

DEC 28, 2012 12:17 PM

Sure.

OutlawPete

OutlawPete

Germany
September 2005

DEC 28, 2012 12:29 PM

Danke, Temper!

Unsere Schule schließt bald, wir haben jetzt noch etwa 85 Schüler bzw. Schülerinnen. Viele davon, weil es eine Förderschule ist, haben den Förderschwerpunkt emotionale und soziale Entwicklung. Früher nannte man sie "Erziehungsschwierig".

Von den 85 SchülerInnen würde ich etwa 7 als wirkliche Bullies bezeichnen. Das Geschlecht scheint völlig gleichgültig, es sind sowohl Jungen, als auch Mädchen.

Aber alle haben eines gemeinsam: Ein sehr geringes Selbstbewusstsein. Aus unterschiedlichen Gründen: Der eine wird in seiner Familie klein gemacht, die andere fühlt sich zu dick usw.

Auf dem Pausenhof führen sie sich dann oft als Bullies auf, was sie leider wachsen lässt. Wie hier schon angesprochen, haben sie plötzlich Macht. Aber es kommt noch was hinzu: Ihr Verhalten erfährt eine positive Reaktion der MitschülerInnen, sie werden zum Teil sogar bewundert. Und leider muss ich auch sagen, dass es LehrerInnen gibt, die das nicht vollständig durchschauen und nicht dafür sorgen, dass dieser Teufelskreis durchbrochen wird und so der oder die Bully weiterhin positive Verstärkung erfährt.

Temper

Temper

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

DEC 28, 2012 01:12 PM

OutlawPete said: Our school is about to close, we currently only have about 85 students. A lot of them, since it's a school for children with learning difficulties, have an educational focal point on emotional and social development. They used to be called "difficult to rear / discipline".

Of these 85 students, I would declare 7 as actual bullies. Their sex is not a factor, they are boys as well as girls.
They all have one thing in common: very low self esteem. For a variety of reasons: One is belittled by his family, another feels too fat, etc.

In the schoolyard they act out and bully, which unfortunately lets them grow. As mentioned, they suddenly have power. But there is another issue: Their behavior elicits a positive reaction in their peers, often they are even admired. And sadly I have to say that there are many teachers who do not fully understand this and don't take care to break the vicious cycle, causing more positive reinforcement for the bully.


OutlawPete

OutlawPete

Germany
September 2005

DEC 28, 2012 01:29 PM

Temper, YOU are the best!

MDW

MDW

Canada
August 2010

DEC 29, 2012 10:31 AM

Temper said:
^^ off topic, but a) it is illogical and usually false to excuse human behavior through anthropomorphizations and b) there is no such action in a wolf pack.

Wolf pack dynamics are not built on picking on the weakest but following the wisest. Hierarchies fluctuate (they are not set in stone in a militaristic way people often think they are), as you mentioned, but there is no (survival) sense in bullying the weak and animals do not get "angry" at each other in a human sense.
Contrary to what people might think, wolves are highly social (much more so than dogs (or most humans, for that matter)) and even care for their sick, weak or injured pack members by, for example, bringing food back to them over many miles instead of letting them die.



Ethology. Humans are animals and I believe the information is also relevent to us.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

DEC 29, 2012 10:49 AM

I think OutlawPete is pretty spot-on. We think of bullies as people at the top of the pecking order, who use their position to keep others down. I think a lot of bullies see themselves as being at the bottom of the pecking order, and use bullying as a way to try to climb out of the pit (by putting someone else under them).

Temper

Temper

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

DEC 29, 2012 11:32 AM

MDW said:

Temper said:
^^ off topic, but a) it is illogical and usually false to excuse human behavior through anthropomorphizations and b) there is no such action in a wolf pack.

Wolf pack dynamics are not built on picking on the weakest but following the wisest. Hierarchies fluctuate (they are not set in stone in a militaristic way people often think they are), as you mentioned, but there is no (survival) sense in bullying the weak and animals do not get "angry" at each other in a human sense.
Contrary to what people might think, wolves are highly social (much more so than dogs (or most humans, for that matter)) and even care for their sick, weak or injured pack members by, for example, bringing food back to them over many miles instead of letting them die.



Ethology. Humans are animals and I believe the information is also relevent to us.



Mole rats are also animals. It doesn't mean their behavior is relevant or comparable to ours.

Plus, that's Wikipedia. Which usually, and also in this case, means it's misinformed, incomplete or just wrong. The info on wolves especially is very outdated. I can only repeat what I have said in my previous comment on the topic.

MDW

MDW

Canada
August 2010

DEC 29, 2012 02:58 PM

Temper said:

MDW said:

Temper said:
^^ off topic, but a) it is illogical and usually false to excuse human behavior through anthropomorphizations and b) there is no such action in a wolf pack.

Wolf pack dynamics are not built on picking on the weakest but following the wisest. Hierarchies fluctuate (they are not set in stone in a militaristic way people often think they are), as you mentioned, but there is no (survival) sense in bullying the weak and animals do not get "angry" at each other in a human sense.
Contrary to what people might think, wolves are highly social (much more so than dogs (or most humans, for that matter)) and even care for their sick, weak or injured pack members by, for example, bringing food back to them over many miles instead of letting them die.



Ethology. Humans are animals and I believe the information is also relevent to us.



Mole rats are also animals. It doesn't mean their behavior is relevant or comparable to ours.

Plus, that's Wikipedia. Which usually, and also in this case, means it's misinformed, incomplete or just wrong. The info on wolves especially is very outdated. I can only repeat what I have said in my previous comment on the topic.



So you're not an alpha female with a dominant personality? smile

Temper

Temper

SUICIDEGIRL

Germany

DEC 30, 2012 03:22 AM

MDW said:

Temper said:

MDW said:

Temper said:
^^ off topic, but a) it is illogical and usually false to excuse human behavior through anthropomorphizations and b) there is no such action in a wolf pack.

Wolf pack dynamics are not built on picking on the weakest but following the wisest. Hierarchies fluctuate (they are not set in stone in a militaristic way people often think they are), as you mentioned, but there is no (survival) sense in bullying the weak and animals do not get "angry" at each other in a human sense.
Contrary to what people might think, wolves are highly social (much more so than dogs (or most humans, for that matter)) and even care for their sick, weak or injured pack members by, for example, bringing food back to them over many miles instead of letting them die.



Ethology. Humans are animals and I believe the information is also relevent to us.



Mole rats are also animals. It doesn't mean their behavior is relevant or comparable to ours.

Plus, that's Wikipedia. Which usually, and also in this case, means it's misinformed, incomplete or just wrong. The info on wolves especially is very outdated. I can only repeat what I have said in my previous comment on the topic.



So you're not an alpha female with a dominant personality? smile



Totally, but that, by definition, makes me not a bully. Bullies are unfit for leadership. wink