NEWS: The War on Women: A Father’s Perspective

Just because we have disagreements does not automatically make one person nor the other a troll.

This so called "war on women" is purely political to try to cement the millennial vote for Obama and the Democrats. Nothing more and nothing less. Women are more than just their genitals and should not be reduced to only wanting free contraceptives (which is the responsibility of both parties involved) and abortions on demand (and it is roughly split on women who are pro-life and pro-choice but I assume the pro-life ones will be labeled traitors). I would welcome a respectable debate if we would stop throwing around the word "sexist" to those we don't agree with.

The only way this statement makes the slightest bit of sense is if the Republicans are doing all the things listed in order to get Democrats elected. Is that your suggestion? Because I have not seen a single Democrat holding a gun to Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, or Paul Ryan's head, forcing them to take their anti-women's rights stances.

Got any sources to back this up? Anything at all? Anything that isn't a right-wing blogger making things up (like the whole "Jeep is moving everything to China" thing)?

Jesus. Of course it's true that the phrase "war on women" is a rhetorical flourish by opponents of the Republicans, rather than an actual stated policy goal of the Republicans (how would that play in Peoria, I wonder?). But the actions of Republicans who have proposed one loathsome assault after another upon women's rights speak for themselves.

As for abbazappa's second point, there actually is a kernel of truth in what he's saying, but a far tinier kernel than he's pretending, as the third paragraph in the section I've linked to makes clear.

Wow. "Defiantly not have children" was the cheery on that shit cake.

The difference being, I was called a "sexist" while not engaging in anything remotely sexist. (Anti-idiot, sure, but not anti-woman)

Republicans are being called sexist because of their constant barrage of laws negating women's freedoms and choices.

There's a very distinct difference.

You didn't read anything I wrote, then. None of that anti-women's rights legislation, none of those anti-women comments. Nevermind the facts, eh?

You're getting a respectable debate, in spite of your ignoring the facts while asserting a deeply offensive opinion that flies in the face of overwhelming factual evidence to the contrary.

My Response:

As for the broader topic disagreeing that women are unable to obtain their own contraception without the Federal Government and forcing institutions that disagree with it on moral grounds does not make one a sexist nor waging a war on half of the voting bloc. Women are not a 'Julia' who can not run their lives without the paternalistic guidance of Government.

With regards to abortion it gets more complicated. According to a CNN poll those who oppose abortion in all circumstances and those that support abortion under any circumstance is equal at 24 percent. Those that view it should be legal under certain circumstances it is at 47 percent and from those 40 percent think it should be legal in only a few circumstances. Within those groups women are going to be split among them. Democrats would be much better off to go back to the 'legal, safe, and rare' policy that they used to have.

For the sake of space two things that Republicans are trying to do that will help women and all people is improve the economy (especially for small businesses). School reform so that parents have choices and teachers are responsible/rewarded when they perform.

edit to add that the real war on women is happening in China and Afghanistan.
Possible trigger: youtube video about China's one child only policy

I would like to point out that those same institutions don't mind insuring Viagra and penis pumps for men.

Requires? There is no "require" about it. And there is definitely nothing that "requires" the mother to be the parent that stays home with the children if the parents choose to become a one-income family.

Don't confuse "traditional roles" or stereotypes with reality.

Additional: Even if a mother CHOOSES (there's that darn word again) to take an 8 week, 16 week, or whatever leave around having a baby, there are not going to be changes that cannot be covered in a retraining session...the same sort of sessions that everybody else in the company would go through whenever new laws, skills, or technology come into play.

Yes, if someone chooses to get out of business for 18 years to raise their kid, they will lose SOME of their skills. A simple leave of absence does not do the same thing.

Oh, give me a break. Forcing doctors to perform transvaginal ultrasounds and quite literally lie to their patients has no place in any legislation that has even the slightest respect for women. There is no respect for women in attempting to close the only abortion clinic in the entire state. This is not about Democrats pushing abortion too hard, this is about right-wing America shitting on women's rights.

You want to go back and forth on whether or not the government should provide contraception, great. We can go back and forth on that. There's room for debate and compromise. There is no room for compromise in the right-wing assault on women's rights.

You forgot to add platypus shit crazy.

Bullshit. I am a department manager in a tech-forward industry where new models and new technology is constantly introduced to the market every few months and staff is in a constant rotation of technical updates, service bulletin issues monthly, new models constantly being released from four different manufacturers.

My staff is entitled under California state law to take maternity and paternity leave, if desired. I schedule their training around those leaves - it's not like it's on short notice.

I see - so the GOP would have to be shooting women and/or forcing them to have abortions here in the US for you to acknowledge that their war on women's rights exists here.

Got it. You really like that echo chamber, don't you? It frees you from having to think about the ugly realities of your own party's actions. Have you told your girlfriend of your beliefs, and how you seem to be OK with all this?

No, it doesn't. I'm perfectly happy to discuss legitimately different points of view, where those differences are reasonable and the debate is in good faith.

You trolling makes you a troll.

Articles about how there is a equal pay myth

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2012/11/05/the_female_wage_gap_is_a_major_economic_myth_99969.html

I was in the 4th highest paying major in college, Finance, My school was a 60% female school, yet my major was 80% male. However one of the lowest paying majors in my school ,Philosophy, was 80% female. I am not saying all, but a large portion of the pay gap is due to the fact that women pick career fields that pay less then men. When fields of study like business, law, engineering, and science are by choice dominated by men there will always be a gender pay gap.

Don't feed me the being a mom is the hardest job ever. I work in a field where people work a at least a 40 hour work week with people avg. 50-60 hour work weeks. also in my position i work most if not all weekends. In the last month i have had 1 day off of work. I am responsible and accountable for over 15 millions dollars and responsible for the actions of 46 people and by association have to deal and help with their family issues. So don't tell me being a stay at home mom is harder then my job.

P.S. i couldn't resist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwPg2oarG_c

P.P.S. I take a 100% stand against abortion in the case of rape. Nothing you can ever say or will ever say will chance my mind. This is why, one of my closest friends is a child of rape, her birth mother was raped by a horrible monster of a man. however in the darkest of hours, this beautiful women was born. If the mother had believed like many of you do, that her psychological well being was more important than the life a child, myself and the world would never have meet one of the most amazing people in my life. Everyone have a right to life, and not one person should be responsible for the sins of their parents, which is what you are doing when you abort a child of rape.

I was going to say something, but Temper has just said it far more concisely than I could ever hope to.

We may have a new contender in "Dumbest Argument Ever". See, you're making a fundamental mistake. The wage gap isn't measured as "the average of all women is this, while the average of all men is that." No, the wage gap is measured as "the average of women in this field is this, while the average of men IN THE EXACT SAME FIELD is that."

Get it now?

And this somehow gives you the right to deny someone else from making a choice about her life? Pretty arrogant. I'll agree with Temper: Fuck you.

Children do not get aborted; embryos and fetuses get aborted. I agree that every person (something a fetus is most definitely not)has the right to life, but until a baby is born, it is a part of its mother's body, and as such, a woman's right to bodily autonomy trumps the rights of anything growing inside it.

Let me just join the "fuck you" chorus.

Who believes that? Nobody I know, and nobody in here.

True.

False.

You haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about, but, since you're apparently quite happy to live in willfully blind ignorance, fuck you.