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OCT 24, 2012 10:25 AM
Well said.
I kind of think men who do love their daughters, yet agree with these misogynist politics, see their daughters as darling little pure things who must be protected, who would never have the inclination to have sex before marriage, and who don't need to worry about education, rape, or cancer because they will be married to similar-thinking white knights who will protect them from all the evils of the world and provide for them forever.
OCT 24, 2012 03:06 PM
okay first off as an army wife to a returning war vet i find this extremely offensive. I'm shocked that a writer as accomplished as yourself has yet to learn how to write from perspective without wearing you own opinions on your sleeve. You can write from a left point of view without insulting the other side, though no one seems to realize this fact.
Secondly to Sadista I am also the mother to a young lady and was raised by conservative Christians. Though i do not agree with them politically I can honestly say that as a mother to a young girl I can at least relate to where they were coming from and what message they meant to portray. I think it is very ignorant of you to cut dont an entire class of people in such a stereotypical way while under the guise of "womens rights" .
I am as feminist as the next woman but I am firmly against personal insults when it comes to politics. The problem is, if you insult one person for their beliefs you have inadvertently insulted an entire party and group of people.
I'm commenting on this because so much of it is hurtful on a personal level, offensive professionally and frankly, incorrect. It's sad that in today's times a writer such as yourself can write a piece filled with slanderous accusations ad insults (which give it the writing style of a 15 yr old girl on facebook rather than a "writer") and call it responsible journalism. This piece was a disappointment to read not because we dont agree, but just because of how dogmatic, immature and poorly written it was.
OCT 24, 2012 05:13 PM
This comment is entirely my opinion:
Also I am only commenting on the issue of abortion and birth control.
It seems that since the dawn of this country's government more often then not religious issues or moral issues get confused with political issues.
It's impossible to discuss politics without being bias. Everyone has their own beliefs and emotions behind their words; otherwise they wouldn't be talking.
Do I think those who are Pro-Life are trying to wage war against women? No not at all. However inadvertently I think they are; yes. It's an issue of control. The thought process is this:
Women are not doing what is righteous. So the law must be righteous. If birth control and abortion is illegal and harsh punishments set in place for violators then women will learn to obey and thank us later. The world will be a better place. We are protecting them from their bad decisions. They must learn that sex is a responsibility and has consequences. Life is precious and must be protected.
I grew up in a very pentecostal republican home. In my opinion having heard this argument in my own home and from my own friends, I know they are only trying to do what they feel is best. That's why all political, religious, and gender issues are always such heated debates. Everyone feels their opinion is the most healthy.
I myself am a sort of mixture between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. It's hard to say since I have never wanted or felt I needed an abortion before. I'd like to believe that if by some horrible turn of events I was raped or became a high risk pregnancy that I would carry my child even if it meant a life of embarrassment for my baby or my own death during delivery. However...
I feel it is necessary for our world to be Pro-Choice.
If we are not free to choose then how will we grow?
The issue is not: Will limiting women's rights bring righteousness or evil? The issue is: What are the consequences?
Women of 2012 are not the women of the past. If abortion was illegal women would still be aborting children. Babies and mothers will die while doctors lose their licenses to practice. Young girls will become dependent on drugs or commit suicide at a hugely increased rate. Already over filled orphanages will become even more crowded. Ghettos will fill up as children are raised with absent or negligent parents. Crime rates rise and the world becomes a more uneducated, stagnant, and less righteous place.
Not because there are more babies in the world but because there are less choices.
We can not eliminate sadness or evil or misfortune in this world. We can not force people to be righteous. We can not force people to choose what we want them to chose.
Humanity must be allowed a choice. Our experiences and choices and consequences due to those experiences and choices shape who we are. They allow us to learn and to grow and to change.
Force will always be a greater evil then Choice.
In my opinion this issue is not about religion or morals, it's about choosing the lesser of the two evils. Because if you don't make the choice now. You may not be allowed the choice in the future.
My apologies to any offended.
OCT 24, 2012 06:23 PM
oh my goodness YES ^^^ i love your thoughts and i completely agree. i was also raised pentecostal. i completely relate and agree.
OCT 24, 2012 06:24 PM
Brinly said:
This comment is entirely my opinion:
Also I am only commenting on the issue of abortion and birth control.
It seems that since the dawn of this country's government more often then not religious issues or moral issues get confused with political issues.
It's impossible to discuss politics without being bias. Everyone has their own beliefs and emotions behind their words; otherwise they wouldn't be talking.
Do I think those who are Pro-Life are trying to wage war against women? No not at all. However inadvertently I think they are; yes. It's an issue of control. The thought process is this:
Women are not doing what is righteous. So the law must be righteous. If birth control and abortion is illegal and harsh punishments set in place for violators then women will learn to obey and thank us later. The world will be a better place. We are protecting them from their bad decisions. They must learn that sex is a responsibility and has consequences. Life is precious and must be protected.
I grew up in a very pentecostal republican home. In my opinion having heard this argument in my own home and from my own friends, I know they are only trying to do what they feel is best. That's why all political, religious, and gender issues are always such heated debates. Everyone feels their opinion is the most healthy.
I myself am a sort of mixture between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. It's hard to say since I have never wanted or felt I needed an abortion before. I'd like to believe that if by some horrible turn of events I was raped or became a high risk pregnancy that I would carry my child even if it meant a life of embarrassment for my baby or my own death during delivery. However...
I feel it is necessary for our world to be Pro-Choice.
If we are not free to choose then how will we grow?
The issue is not: Will limiting women's rights bring righteousness or evil? The issue is: What are the consequences?
Women of 2012 are not the women of the past. If abortion was illegal women would still be aborting children. Babies and mothers will die while doctors lose their licenses to practice. Young girls will become dependent on drugs or commit suicide at a hugely increased rate. Already over filled orphanages will become even more crowded. Ghettos will fill up as children are raised with absent or negligent parents. Crime rates rise and the world becomes a more uneducated, stagnant, and less righteous place.
Not because there are more babies in the world but because there are less choices.
We can not eliminate sadness or evil or misfortune in this world. We can not force people to be righteous. We can not force people to choose what we want them to chose.
Humanity must be allowed a choice. Our experiences and choices and consequences due to those experiences and choices shape who we are. They allow us to learn and to grow and to change.
Force will always be a greater evil then Choice.
In my opinion this issue is not about religion or morals, it's about choosing the lesser of the two evils. Because if you don't make the choice now. You may not be allowed the choice in the future.
My apologies to any offended.
oh my goodness YES ^^^ i love your thoughts and i completely agree. i was also raised pentecostal. i completely relate and agree.
OCT 24, 2012 07:40 PM
Elvera said:
I am as feminist as the next woman but I am firmly against personal insults when it comes to politics. The problem is, if you insult one person for their beliefs you have inadvertently insulted an entire party and group of people..
I understand where you are coming from, but two things:
1. It isn't a personal insult to say that someone's beliefs are ignorant and wrong.
2. I will happily be "insulting" to people who are trying to take away my rights to my own bodily autonomy. This is a serious issue and I don't think we are obligated to be nice about it.
OCT 24, 2012 09:49 PM
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
"it seems as if Republicans are going to war against damn near everybody but old, rich white guys."
Are we forgetting that the current president, a democrat, not only has continued our wars which Bush started but started new ones by ordering military intervention in Libya, Yemen and drone strikes in a couple other countries that we weren't bombing before? Give me a break.
Honestly the hypocrisy here is too thick to even cut with a knife..... like I said, stick to nude photographs. You're clearly not doing much thinking otherwise.
OCT 24, 2012 09:51 PM
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
"it seems as if Republicans are going to war against damn near everybody but old, rich white guys."
Are we forgetting that the current president, a democrat, not only has continued our wars which Bush started but started new ones by ordering military intervention in Libya, Yemen and drone strikes in a couple other countries that we weren't bombing before? Give me a break.
Honestly the hypocrisy here is too thick to even cut with a knife..... like I said, stick to nude photographs. You're clearly not doing much thinking otherwise.
And you completely missed the point of the article. Good job.
OCT 24, 2012 10:20 PM
Morgan said:
Elvera said:
I am as feminist as the next woman but I am firmly against personal insults when it comes to politics. The problem is, if you insult one person for their beliefs you have inadvertently insulted an entire party and group of people..
I understand where you are coming from, but two things:
1. It isn't a personal insult to say that someone's beliefs are ignorant and wrong.
2. I will happily be "insulting" to people who are trying to take away my rights to my own bodily autonomy. This is a serious issue and I don't think we are obligated to be nice about it.
I think some commenters here may have somehow, inexplicably, missed many key points brought up in this article. I;m not sure how someone, man or woman, would find it excusable to call rape "a gift from God". Really? REALLY? This is beyond right-wing...it is just flat out disgusting. And indefensible. Sorry, no amount of justification can even begin to make that statement acceptable. I agree with Morgan 100%... a woman's body is her own, she alone should be making decisions about herself. And to say that calling these Republican jackasses out is "insulting"? I find it even more insulting that anyone with a conquense can abide this, and many other statements brought up in this informative (and frankly shockingly disconcerting..this is 2012 America we are talking about, isn't it?) article.
OCT 25, 2012 05:24 AM
veganvindicator said:
Morgan said:
Elvera said:
I am as feminist as the next woman but I am firmly against personal insults when it comes to politics. The problem is, if you insult one person for their beliefs you have inadvertently insulted an entire party and group of people..
I understand where you are coming from, but two things:
1. It isn't a personal insult to say that someone's beliefs are ignorant and wrong.
2. I will happily be "insulting" to people who are trying to take away my rights to my own bodily autonomy. This is a serious issue and I don't think we are obligated to be nice about it.
I think some commenters here may have somehow, inexplicably, missed many key points brought up in this article. I;m not sure how someone, man or woman, would find it excusable to call rape "a gift from God". Really? REALLY? This is beyond right-wing...it is just flat out disgusting. And indefensible. Sorry, no amount of justification can even begin to make that statement acceptable. I agree with Morgan 100%... a woman's body is her own, she alone should be making decisions about herself. And to say that calling these Republican jackasses out is "insulting"? I find it even more insulting that anyone with a conquense can abide this, and many other statements brought up in this informative (and frankly shockingly disconcerting..this is 2012 America we are talking about, isn't it?) article.
i was referring to his comments about the war and our soldiers as i outline by stating that I am an army wife. I also stated that i do not agree with the right and those aren't my beliefs. im not defending the right im simply saying the vibe i got from his writing style was dogmatic, condescending, and sarcastic. i think its unprofessional.
OCT 25, 2012 05:26 AM
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
"it seems as if Republicans are going to war against damn near everybody but old, rich white guys."
Are we forgetting that the current president, a democrat, not only has continued our wars which Bush started but started new ones by ordering military intervention in Libya, Yemen and drone strikes in a couple other countries that we weren't bombing before? Give me a break.
Honestly the hypocrisy here is too thick to even cut with a knife..... like I said, stick to nude photographs. You're clearly not doing much thinking otherwise.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this. It makes our models feel obligated to support a certain side or otherwise keep who we DO support hidden. It's tremendously biased.
OCT 25, 2012 05:44 AM
I am trying to phrase this kindly, but how long have you been active on SG? This site has always leaned towards the left and has not been shy about showing it. If you think this is somehow shocking, surprising or "unprofessional" than I have to wonder if you're new here.
OCT 25, 2012 05:49 AM
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! ![]()
OCT 25, 2012 05:58 AM
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
"it seems as if Republicans are going to war against damn near everybody but old, rich white guys."
Are we forgetting that the current president, a democrat, not only has continued our wars which Bush started but started new ones by ordering military intervention in Libya, Yemen and drone strikes in a couple other countries that we weren't bombing before? Give me a break.
Honestly the hypocrisy here is too thick to even cut with a knife..... like I said, stick to nude photographs. You're clearly not doing much thinking otherwise.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this. It makes our models feel obligated to support a certain side or otherwise keep who we DO support hidden. It's tremendously biased.
So...neither of you read the article?
And, while I have not seen an SG modeling contract, I'm fairly certain it does NOT state "model is unable to state, or even have, personal opinions."
OCT 25, 2012 06:53 AM
Elvera said:
Brinly said:
This comment is entirely my opinion:
Also I am only commenting on the issue of abortion and birth control.
It seems that since the dawn of this country's government more often then not religious issues or moral issues get confused with political issues.
It's impossible to discuss politics without being bias. Everyone has their own beliefs and emotions behind their words; otherwise they wouldn't be talking.
Do I think those who are Pro-Life are trying to wage war against women? No not at all. However inadvertently I think they are; yes. It's an issue of control. The thought process is this:
Women are not doing what is righteous. So the law must be righteous. If birth control and abortion is illegal and harsh punishments set in place for violators then women will learn to obey and thank us later. The world will be a better place. We are protecting them from their bad decisions. They must learn that sex is a responsibility and has consequences. Life is precious and must be protected.
I grew up in a very pentecostal republican home. In my opinion having heard this argument in my own home and from my own friends, I know they are only trying to do what they feel is best. That's why all political, religious, and gender issues are always such heated debates. Everyone feels their opinion is the most healthy.
I myself am a sort of mixture between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. It's hard to say since I have never wanted or felt I needed an abortion before. I'd like to believe that if by some horrible turn of events I was raped or became a high risk pregnancy that I would carry my child even if it meant a life of embarrassment for my baby or my own death during delivery. However...
I feel it is necessary for our world to be Pro-Choice.
If we are not free to choose then how will we grow?
The issue is not: Will limiting women's rights bring righteousness or evil? The issue is: What are the consequences?
Women of 2012 are not the women of the past. If abortion was illegal women would still be aborting children. Babies and mothers will die while doctors lose their licenses to practice. Young girls will become dependent on drugs or commit suicide at a hugely increased rate. Already over filled orphanages will become even more crowded. Ghettos will fill up as children are raised with absent or negligent parents. Crime rates rise and the world becomes a more uneducated, stagnant, and less righteous place.
Not because there are more babies in the world but because there are less choices.
We can not eliminate sadness or evil or misfortune in this world. We can not force people to be righteous. We can not force people to choose what we want them to chose.
Humanity must be allowed a choice. Our experiences and choices and consequences due to those experiences and choices shape who we are. They allow us to learn and to grow and to change.
Force will always be a greater evil then Choice.
In my opinion this issue is not about religion or morals, it's about choosing the lesser of the two evils. Because if you don't make the choice now. You may not be allowed the choice in the future.
My apologies to any offended.
oh my goodness YES ^^^ i love your thoughts and i completely agree. i was also raised pentecostal. i completely relate and agree.
As a proud father of 2 girls and Marine Veteran, i 100% Agree with you both. I'm not going to beat a dead horse so i will only say there needs to be a healthy balance of church and state because as history has shown us: an improper balance of either or can bring down entire nations. It's already brought down empires, kingdoms you name it. My point being: Live your life, these kind of debates always happen, but in the end we are all still here. Just my 2 cents.
OCT 25, 2012 07:39 AM
mingol said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! ![]()
seriously dude? what a fucking sexist asshole you are. So Suicide girls shouldnt comment on political articles? wow.
OCT 25, 2012 07:42 AM
Coyotemike said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
"it seems as if Republicans are going to war against damn near everybody but old, rich white guys."
Are we forgetting that the current president, a democrat, not only has continued our wars which Bush started but started new ones by ordering military intervention in Libya, Yemen and drone strikes in a couple other countries that we weren't bombing before? Give me a break.
Honestly the hypocrisy here is too thick to even cut with a knife..... like I said, stick to nude photographs. You're clearly not doing much thinking otherwise.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this. It makes our models feel obligated to support a certain side or otherwise keep who we DO support hidden. It's tremendously biased.
So...neither of you read the article?
And, while I have not seen an SG modeling contract, I'm fairly certain it does NOT state "model is unable to state, or even have, personal opinions."
no. i read the article. what i am sying is that when the company you model for comes out and endorses a candidate it makes the girls on the opposing side feel uncomfortable. I think SG should remain neutral or at least be respectful to the right. though i consider myself a moderate.. i still find it tense.
OCT 25, 2012 07:46 AM
Elvera said:
mingol said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! ![]()
seriously dude? what a fucking sexist asshole you are. So Suicide girls shouldnt comment on political articles? wow.
You're saying there shouldn't BE political articles.
Also, mingol was simply restating the whole "stick to nude photography" comment made above, but in a sarcastic manner.
Now that that is cleared up, do you have an opinion on the topic at hand, of the right wing attempts to limit access to contraception, to make abortion illegal, and basically try to force women into a 1960's sitcom role?
OCT 25, 2012 07:47 AM
Morgan said:
I am trying to phrase this kindly, but how long have you been active on SG? This site has always leaned towards the left and has not been shy about showing it. If you think this is somehow shocking, surprising or "unprofessional" than I have to wonder if you're new here.
I am not new here or ignorant to SGs views. Despite how long I have been here or been aware of there left preference I still dont agree with it. One thing I think we can all agree on is that SG has members from all views on the site and contributing to the revenue of the company and the success of the girls. For that reason I stand by my point that when you insult one side, you are insulting a vast percent of our members and even some of our models. And that... is shitty. You can support the left without being uncouth and improper.
i am not comig down on SG for being left. i personally dont give a fuck. Im more upset with how poorly this article is written.
OCT 25, 2012 07:47 AM
Elvera said:
Coyotemike said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
"it seems as if Republicans are going to war against damn near everybody but old, rich white guys."
Are we forgetting that the current president, a democrat, not only has continued our wars which Bush started but started new ones by ordering military intervention in Libya, Yemen and drone strikes in a couple other countries that we weren't bombing before? Give me a break.
Honestly the hypocrisy here is too thick to even cut with a knife..... like I said, stick to nude photographs. You're clearly not doing much thinking otherwise.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this. It makes our models feel obligated to support a certain side or otherwise keep who we DO support hidden. It's tremendously biased.
So...neither of you read the article?
And, while I have not seen an SG modeling contract, I'm fairly certain it does NOT state "model is unable to state, or even have, personal opinions."
no. i red the article. what i am sying is that when the company you model for comes out and endorses a candidate it makes the girls on the opposing side feel uncomfortable. I think SG should remain neutral or at least be respectful to the right. though i consider myself a moderate.. i still find it tense.
Well, maybe when the right does something to EARN respect, they will get it.
OCT 25, 2012 07:50 AM
Elvera said:
mingol said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! ![]()
seriously dude? what a fucking sexist asshole you are. So Suicide girls shouldnt comment on political articles? wow.
I'll try one more time:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
<sarcasm> Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! </sarcasm>
<--- "whatever" smiley face intended to denote sarcasm
OCT 25, 2012 07:51 AM
Coyotemike said:
Elvera said:
mingol said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! ![]()
seriously dude? what a fucking sexist asshole you are. So Suicide girls shouldnt comment on political articles? wow.
You're saying there shouldn't BE political articles.
Also, mingol was simply restating the whole "stick to nude photography" comment made above, but in a sarcastic manner.
Now that that is cleared up, do you have an opinion on the topic at hand, of the right wing attempts to limit access to contraception, to make abortion illegal, and basically try to force women into a 1960's sitcom role?
i think i know what IM trying to say, thank you. haha and i will comment as i please. I find it extremely ironic how we are talking about womens rights here and you think that mingol's comment was somehow excusable. Like i said I am a feminist. We are on a site that SUPPORTS feminism and you are OPPOSING the idea of the right forcing women into the role of a 1960's housewife... yet you defend that comment? way to o buddy... way to go.
OCT 25, 2012 07:59 AM
Elvera said:
Coyotemike said:
Elvera said:
mingol said:
Elvera said:
WelfareHamster said:
Hey Suicide Girls, stick to nude photographs.
i agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
Yeah, god forbid that anyone on this site be allowed to actually express an opinion. Tits or STFU! ![]()
seriously dude? what a fucking sexist asshole you are. So Suicide girls shouldnt comment on political articles? wow.
You're saying there shouldn't BE political articles.
Also, mingol was simply restating the whole "stick to nude photography" comment made above, but in a sarcastic manner.
Now that that is cleared up, do you have an opinion on the topic at hand, of the right wing attempts to limit access to contraception, to make abortion illegal, and basically try to force women into a 1960's sitcom role?
i think i know what IM trying to say, thank you. haha and i will comment as i please. I find it extremely ironic how we are talking about womens rights here and you think that mingol's comment was somehow excusable. Like i said I am a feminist. We are on a site that SUPPORTS feminism and you are OPPOSING the idea of the right forcing women into the role of a 1960's housewife... yet you defend that comment? way to o buddy... way to go.
Yes, I defend the comment from someone I know to be feminist, because I know he was using the comment ironically to point out how stupid the idea of "stick to nude photography," a statement you supported, really is.
As to what you said, let me quote you:
I agree. SG has no business endorsing articles such as this.
The implication is that SG shouldn't be in the political commentary business.
Here: I have a suggestion for you. Several, actually.
1: Reading comprehension. Try it, you might like it.
2: If you don't like an article, write your own
3: Don't complain about "how badly an article is written" when using words like "red" for "read" and "sying" for "saying."










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